mandag 20. juli 2009

Her er noe e-post korrespondanse, om hvor vikingene, som slo seg ned i England, stammet fra, i de forskjellige engelske fylkene. (In Norwegian)




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Erik Ribsskog
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Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM




To:
barbara ainscough <barbaraainscough@mac.com>






Hi,

thanks very much for your reply.

I'm from Norway, so I know that if your name, is derived from Aykescogh, then this is very easy
for me to understand, its oak-forest.


Eike-skog, in modern Norwegian, but Norwegian letters are pronaunced differently, so Eikeskog,
said in Norwegian, would sound the same, as Aykescogh, in English.

So I'm sure it means Oak-forest.


My own name, Ribsskog, also has 'skog' in it, meaning forest.

My name, in Norwegian, sounds like red-currant forest. 'Rips', in Norwegian, is red-currant, and
the first part of my lastname is 'Ribs'.


And those words are prounaunced the same.

But this name, Ribsskog, is from Trøndelag, or the county of the Trond-tribe, quite far north in Norway.

And it was first written as 'Resskog', and 'Res', means, I've read, a place, where one drag the row-boats

over, on land, in stead of rowing around a (quite small, I think) peninsula.

And then it was changed, to Ribsskog, for some reason.

And this family-name, that really is from my mothers fathers family, since my mother divorced my

father, and changed my last-name from Olsen, (meaning son of Ole (short for Olave(!), I think)), in the 70's.

This familiy, with this name, 'Ribsskog', they have a lot of conflicts, I've understood, and I wrote to some

distant relatives, with this name, from Trøndelag, I think, and they didn't answer back, when I wrote,
about that they changed the name, up there, from 'Resskog', to 'Ribsskog'.


Now it sounds more Danish, since I think Danes say 'Ribs', for red-currant, in stead of the Norwegian 'Rips'.

At least it sounds like Danish name now, so maybe someone in the Ribsskog-familiy, was a bit snobish,

because the elite in Oslo, used to talk almost Danish, and probably used to have some Danish-sounding
names, since the elite, in Oslo, used to be, clerks etc., for the Kings of Denmark, who just to rule Norway,

for 400 years.

So people from the most snobish parts of Oslo, have been known, until this day, to speak in a way that
almost resembles old-fashion Danish, from the time of the union, between Norway and Denmark.


Even if some dialects, in Denmark, Jutish, I think, has changed towards German I think, since the time
of this union, so now, Danish kan be almost impossible to understand, sometimes, to Norwegians,

even the 'snobs', who speaks almost old-fashioned Danish, since modern Danish, often now, these
days, has a bit un-clear pronounciation.

So that's how this is.


I sent an e-mail to the professor, at the University of Nottingham, that you gave me the e-mail address to.

I'll see if I can find the link.

Sorry that I went on about the etnology of my lastname, so much!


And thanks very much for the link, I'll read more about the Tudors later.

I read about the black and white framed houses, on Wikipedia, and, I also saw, that they had almost similar

houses, in Denmark, to the Tudor-styled, in England.

But I guess this must be a very English style.

But I read that Tudor, came from Patagenan, or something, in France, so maybe it's really a French

arcitectural style(?)

It's a bit diffucult for me, to orientate, so well, in the UK, since there have been so many people, living here,
Picts, Skyts, Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans, etc, etc, (and Norwegians!).


So to say where this and this style, was from, is a bit tricky, I guess.

I mean the Normans, where really Danes, that had lived in France, for about 100 years perhaps.

Where they Danes, French or Norman?


If you are from Norway, I think it's probably best to not try to dig to deep into this things.

I'll see if I can manage not to do this.

We'll see.

Best regards,


Erik Ribsskog

PS.

Here is the link to the e-mail, that I sent the professor, at the University of Nottingham, even if I can see, that I wrote Newcaslte, it seems, in my last comment.


This reminds me of when I posted on the British Expat-forum, and I had a back-up, where it said, I had wrote 'Norse'.

But then someone at the British Ex-pat message-board moderators-crew, had been having fun, and changed 'Norse'

to 'Nurse', and I don't think they can blame this, on it being derived, or on etnology.

But anyway, I'll see if I can find the link.

Here it is:



PS 2.


And what's the reason, for this change, in communication-method, from comments on a Blogger-blog, to e-mail., btw, if it's ok to ask about this in Newcastle or Nottingham, or Lancashire, I guess it was?


Well perhaps the Vikings in Lancashire, originated, from Scandinavia, where as the Vikings on the Wirral, where from
Ireland, people who had to move from there, at least I've read that earlier, that Vikings setlements on the Wirral, where

Norwegians who had to move from Ireland, after losing control there.

Sorry of all the post-scripts, a bit late here now I guess!



On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:11 PM, barbara ainscough <barbaraainscough@mac.com> wrote:

Hi Eric

there is so much history involved in what you write.....York was a text book Viking settlement as you know - many viking artefacts have been found here. Prof. harding has carried out much research and the West including Merseyside has definite Viking origins too- perhaps coming over from Ireland? or maybe primary settlements?

My name is Ainscough we think derived from Aykescogh - Nordic origins meaning meadow, tree, Ask, Oak forest?? This name originates in Lancashire.
For more about Tudor houses see here:


Good luck!
B




On 19 Jul 2009, at 18:17, johncons wrote:

johncons has left a new comment on your post ""Olsok" Wirral-Chester Viking Churches Heritage Wa...":


Hi,

thanks very much for the answer, I'll e-mail Professor Harding at the University of Newcastle.

I read up a bit on the internet, about the churches, (which I perhaps should have done more, before I wrote the last comment), and I read that there also is a St. Olave's Church and Parish, in York.


Since York was a Viking-town, or City, even if it was also Roman and Norman and Anglo-Saxon probably also I guess, for all that I know.

At school in Norway, we learn about that York has been a Norwegian Viking-town or city, with the name of 'Jorvik', but we don't hear about that there have been Viking-settlements around in the Wirral and other places around the Mersey, so this was a bit new information to me.


I read that the church in Chester, was built by Norwegian refugees from Dublin, after the Vikings lost control in Ireland, (which I guess is what the march is about), so I thought that the St. Olave's Church, in Chester, probably is one of the few things, that remains, of arcitecture etc., from the Vikings who lived in Ireland.


(Or I guess there could be something in Ireland, that we neighter was thought in school).

But I saw in Chester, that the Roman and Norman buildings, had signs explaining about the buildings etc., but I don't the St. Olave's Church had a similar sign.


And now I read on the internet, today, that the church was being used as a cinema.

But perhaps there aren't any people left, from the Norse comunity, in Chester, that remember that they had Viking ancestors, so noone wants to put up signs etc.


I think, if this church had been in Norway, they would probably made it to a museum or something.

At least they would have put up a sign, I guess.

But I'll contact the professor about this, and try not to write so much about what I think.


I just thought it was fun, really, to se that there where places in Chester named after a Norwegian king, that we learn about in school, in Norway, so that I thought was fun.

I'll contact the professor, and I'll try to remember to update my comment again, when I get a reply!


Thank you very much for answering my questions, I'll read up about Tudor, thanks very much for explaining about the timber framed houses!

Sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog

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PS.

Nå leste jeg den linken, som var for noe barne- eller ungdomsskole vel, i England, som hun dama skrev, i e-posten sin.

Og det viste seg, at Tudor, det var de, med Henry VIII vel, som gjorde England protestantisk.

Så da fulgte vel England etter Tyskland og Nederland og Norden da, og ble protestantisk.

Og de kaller også Normannerne, for Vikinger.

Så da kan man vel kanskje ikke kalle dem franske.

Så da får man vel gå ut fra, at England nok er i Nord-Europa da, og ikke i Sør-Europa, som Frankrike vel for eksempel er, siden England jo er protestantisk.

Irland er jo katolsk, men Irland har vel mer med Storbritannia å gjøre, enn med Frankrike og Spania osv.

Men Irland er katolsk, så må man kanskje si, at Irland er i Sør-Europa, mens England, Wales og Skottland, er i Nord-Europa.

Noe sånt.

Så sånn er nok dette.

Med vennlig hilsen

Erik Ribsskog