Session Start: on mar 07 00:00:21 2012
Session Ident:#Norway
[00:00] <+_cons_> in norway you can sometimes walk for days without meeting anyone more or less
[00:00] <@braveboy> i don't like it with too many people
[00:00] <+_cons_> in some part of the land
[00:00] <@braveboy> but all the europe is getting overcrowded
[00:00] <+_cons_> but when i lived in norway i didn't think of it like that
[00:01] <+_cons_> except norway perhaps
[00:01] <+_cons_> still lots of space in norway
[00:01] <@braveboy> uk is both overcrowded and expensive
[00:01] <+_cons_> i don't think norwegians know how lucky they are
[00:01] <+_cons_> with all the space
[00:01] <+_cons_> i didn't think of it like that when i lived there
[00:01] <+_cons_> but i do now, after i've lived in the uk
[00:01] <+_cons_> much less overcrowded in norway
[00:01] <+_cons_> but anyway
[00:03] <+_cons_> braveboy: i know a woman from bulgaria btw
[00:03] <+_cons_> gabriella i think
[00:03] <+_cons_> from when i studied at the university of sunderland, in 2004
[00:03] <+_cons_> she studied sports
[00:03] <+_cons_> i think
[00:03] <@braveboy> bulgarians are all over
[00:03] <+_cons_> she made a type of bulgarian food for me once
[00:04] <@braveboy> like what
[00:04] <+_cons_> almost like flat bread
[00:04] <+_cons_> i think
[00:04] <@braveboy> pita
[00:04] <+_cons_> when her mother was there
[00:04] <@braveboy> pitka
[00:04] <+_cons_> perhaps
[00:04] <+_cons_> they were round and flat, i think
[00:04] <+_cons_> but this was in 2004, so i don't remember exactly
[00:04] <+_cons_> i gave her advice about laptop
[00:04] <@braveboy> only bread ?
[00:05] <+_cons_> yeah i think it was only bread
[00:05] <+_cons_> she lived in the neighbour-flat
[00:05] <+_cons_> so it was a surprise for me
[00:05] <+_cons_> but i gave her advise about laptop once
[00:05] <+_cons_> i said buy the cheapest one from dell
[00:05] <+_cons_> don't buy used
[00:05] <+_cons_> but she couldn't aford one from dell i think
[00:06] <@braveboy> bulgarians are crazy about studying
[00:06] <+_cons_> i wouldn't have bought a used laptop myselves
[00:06] <@braveboy> even though they lack money for tuition
[00:06] <+_cons_> well she got the studies less expensive than me at least
[00:06] <+_cons_> because norwegians had to pay £10.000 a year, or something
[00:07] <+_cons_> but i guess bulgaria are in the eu, or something
[00:07] <+_cons_> aren't they?
[00:07] <@OldGnom> yes
[00:07] <+_cons_> at least the germans got the studies less expensive
[00:07] <+_cons_> ok
[00:07] <+_cons_> but the norwegian study finance was much better than the european
[00:07] <+_cons_> the germans almost couldn't afford to buy anything
[00:08] <@braveboy> couldn't ?
[00:08] <+_cons_> but i got like £1000 a month, or something
[00:08] <+_cons_> no the german study-finance wasn't that good
[00:08] <+_cons_> compared with the norwegian
[00:08] <+_cons_> but norway is expensive
[00:08] <@braveboy> so stay at home and study there
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[00:08] <+_cons_> so if norwegian students go to sunderland
[00:09] <@OldGnom> they will be kings?
[00:09] <+_cons_> then they don't have to work besides the studies
[00:09] <+_cons_> yeah the cost of living is much lower in sunderland than in oslo
[00:09] <+_cons_> so in oslo i had to work besides my studies, but not in sunderland
[00:09] <@braveboy> so emigrate to london, it is cheaper there :)
[00:10] <+_cons_> london is more expensive than sunderland
[00:10] <+_cons_> the housing prices are much higher in london
[00:10] <@braveboy> too bad UK raised the student fees
[00:10] <+_cons_> and also transport is more expensive in london
[00:10] <+_cons_> yeah there were big protest here
[00:11] <+_cons_> against that
[00:11] <@braveboy> 3 000 pounds to 10 000 pounds
[00:11] <@braveboy> 10 000 pounds is pretty expensive
[00:12] <@braveboy> for a bachelors you need 40 000 pounds or 50 000 euro in cash
[00:12] <+_cons_> but if you get a top job then you'll earn that a year in the uk
[00:12] <@braveboy> i know
[00:12] <@braveboy> maybe not in today's economy tough
[00:13] <@braveboy> sunderland is like a suburb of newcastle
[00:13] <@braveboy> and you have a ferry to Norway from there
[00:13] <+_cons_> no, there are more people who lives in sunderland than in newcastle
[00:13] <+_cons_> so it isn't like a suburb
[00:13] <@braveboy> so the other way round
[00:13] <+_cons_> they are rival-towns
[00:14] <+_cons_> there are very different
[00:14] <@braveboy> newcastle is the port city of sunderland
[00:14] <@braveboy> how many hours with the ferry to norway ?
[00:14] <+_cons_> yes people in sunderland are called mackems
[00:14] <+_cons_> and they call the people in newcastle takems
[00:15] <@braveboy> sunderland is not in premiership anyway :)
[00:15] <+_cons_> they made a lot of ships in sunderland, and then they were sold from newcastle or something
[00:15] <+_cons_> so sunderland is a poor city, and newcastle is richer
[00:15] <@braveboy> i am done studying
[00:15] <@braveboy> i spent 2 years in us for masters
[00:15] <+_cons_> so it was less expensive to study in sunderland
[00:15] <@braveboy> got enough of it
[00:16] <+_cons_> thats why i went to sunderland it only cost £5000 a term to study there
[00:16] <+_cons_> (at least in 2004)
[00:16] <+_cons_> for norwegians
[00:16] <@braveboy> and you are still studying ?
[00:16] <+_cons_> now i haven't studied since 2005
[00:16] <@braveboy> so you graduated
[00:17] <+_cons_> yeah, i got my degree from my home university at least
[00:17] <+_cons_> even if its a low degree
[00:17] <@braveboy> like how low
[00:17] <@braveboy> associate ?
[00:17] <@braveboy> or bachelors ?
[00:17] <+_cons_> its comparable with a higher national diploma or a foundation-degree here in the uk
[00:18] <+_cons_> its called høgskolekandidat-degree
[00:18] <@braveboy> uk system is complicated
[00:18] <@braveboy> so something like high school or prep school
[00:18] <@braveboy> in us you have prep school before college
[00:19] <+_cons_> its on my website, under PS 4, it's explained about the degree in english there: http://johncons.angelfire.com/om.html
[00:19] <@MorganS> URL: Om - johncons
[00:20] <@braveboy> norway sure has good schools
[00:20] <@braveboy> they have some business school in bergen i think
[00:21] <+_cons_> well i guess, my grandfathers uncle was Bernhof Ribsskog who invented a plan called 'normalplanen' for the primary shool and/or high school
[00:21] <+_cons_> right after the war
[00:22] <@braveboy> schools are good, but requirements are tough
[00:22] <@braveboy> so i guess some people leave to study abroad
[00:22] <+_cons_> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/
[00:22] <@MorganS> URL: Bernhof Ribsskog - Wikipedia
[00:23] <+_cons_> well i'd been a lot at language school in the UK as a teen-ager so it's almost like a second home land for me
[00:24] <+_cons_> and i'd studied four years in norway first so
[00:24] <+_cons_> but it's a long story why i went to study in the uk
[00:24] <+_cons_> buy o
[00:24] <+_cons_> ops
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[00:25] <@braveboy> but you like it there
[00:25] <+_cons_> but im writing on my memoirs now
[00:25] <@braveboy> that is what is important
[00:25] <+_cons_> yeah its like in norway its snow and cold now, but here its to warm to wear an all wheather jacket
[00:25] <+_cons_> so im not complaining
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[00:26] <+_cons_> well im really complaining
[00:26] <+_cons_> but thats on my blog
[00:26] <+_cons_> in norwegian
[00:26] <@braveboy> and the scottish highlands are close
[00:26] <+_cons_> thats a long story
[00:27] <@braveboy> cannot read it sorry :)
[00:27] <+_cons_> yeah ive been to edinburough at least
[00:27] <+_cons_> its only a quite short train-trip from newcastle
[00:27] <+_cons_> and they have mountains in wales as well
[00:27] <+_cons_> they are called snowdonia
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[00:28] <@braveboy> uk has good marketing and attracts all kinds of people
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[00:28] <@braveboy> americans, europeans
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[00:28] <+_cons_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowdonia
[00:28] <@MorganS> URL: Snowdonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[00:28] <@braveboy> bulgarians, romanians
[00:29] <@braveboy> third world and so on
[00:29] <+_cons_> how is it in bulgaria, is it over-crowded there?
[00:30] <@braveboy> nope
[00:30] <@braveboy> it is small country
[00:30] <+_cons_> ok
[00:30] <@braveboy> less than 7 million
[00:30] <+_cons_> ok i see
[00:30] <@braveboy> but it is a mess
[00:30] <+_cons_> you neighbour romania?
[00:30] <+_cons_> ok
[00:30] <@braveboy> romania is a bit overcrowded
[00:30] <+_cons_> ok i see
[00:31] <+_cons_> are you slavs in bulgaria?
[00:31] <+_cons_> if it's ok to ask
[00:31] <@braveboy> this is a tough question :)
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[00:31] <+_cons_> or are you called bulgars?
[00:31] <@braveboy> we are slavs, like serbs and croats
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[00:31] <@braveboy> though they may say otherwise
[00:31] <+_cons_> ok
[00:32] <+_cons_> ok, yeah i remember a norwegian politician said something wrong
[00:32] <+_cons_> about that
[00:32] <+_cons_> thorvald stoltenberg
[00:32] <+_cons_> he said
[00:32] <+_cons_> 'they are all serbs', or something
[00:32] <@braveboy> :) hehe
[00:32] <+_cons_> about the muslims, croats and serbs
[00:32] <@braveboy> what does he know :)
[00:33] <+_cons_> he was a peace-negotiator
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[00:33] <+_cons_> for the un
[00:33] <+_cons_> in the 90's
[00:33] <+_cons_> in bosnia i think
[00:33] <+_cons_> so he wasn't very good
[00:33] <@braveboy> muslims in bosnia are slavs too, but converted to islam
[00:33] <+_cons_> ok i see
[00:33] <@braveboy> they were heretics
[00:33] <@braveboy> and then converted to islam
[00:33] <+_cons_> heruls?
[00:33] <+_cons_> ok
[00:33] <@braveboy> paulicians
[00:33] <@braveboy> bogomils, who knows whatr
[00:34] <+_cons_> ok haven't heard of them
[00:34] <+_cons_> i think hungarians are strange
[00:34] <+_cons_> they are from the huns right?
[00:34] <@braveboy> heresy came through balkans to western europe
[00:34] <@braveboy> hungarians are strange people :)
[00:34] <@braveboy> they are not slavs tough
[00:34] <+_cons_> they are from the attila the hun right?
[00:34] <+_cons_> ok
[00:34] <+_cons_> we have finland in the north
[00:35] <@braveboy> well they would like to think so but cannot prove it
[00:35] <+_cons_> they speak a language related to hungarian
[00:35] <+_cons_> ok
[00:35] <@braveboy> finns are huns :)
[00:35] <@braveboy> norwegians are vikings
[00:35] <+_cons_> i wrote that on a scandinavian facebook group once
[00:35] <+_cons_> that finns were from the mongolians
[00:35] <+_cons_> and then i was thrown out
[00:35] <@braveboy> hahahaha
[00:35] <@braveboy> :)
[00:36] <+_cons_> because finland and norway they are neigbour-countries
[00:36] <@braveboy> you earned it :)
[00:36] <+_cons_> but the languages are very different
[00:36] <@braveboy> finns are blonde
[00:36] <+_cons_> well they kind of sneak in as vikings
[00:36] <+_cons_> here in the uk
[00:36] <@braveboy> they try to be vikings too :)
[00:36] <+_cons_> but the finns weren't vikings
[00:36] <@braveboy> they try to mix up with you
[00:37] <+_cons_> because it isn't the same culture
[00:37] <+_cons_> norway, sweden, denmark has almost the same language and culture
[00:37] <+_cons_> but finland has sauna and sisu and a very different language etc
[00:37] <+_cons_> so its a bit strange
[00:37] <+_cons_> and when i try to ask them about their culture
[00:37] <+_cons_> then they just wanted to be like the un
[00:38] <+_cons_> and started talking about the third world etc
[00:38] <@braveboy> what is sisu ?
[00:38] <+_cons_> sisu is like a never say die
[00:38] <+_cons_> attitude
[00:39] <+_cons_> that finns a very though
[00:39] <+_cons_> so they run fast in competitions etc
[00:39] <+_cons_> and really wear themselves out, and fight hard, in ishockey etc
[00:39] <@braveboy> same as vikings :)
[00:39] <+_cons_> yeah i guess
[00:39] <+_cons_> but sisu is not a scandinavian word
[00:40] <+_cons_> its probably mongolian or something
[00:40] <+_cons_> from atilla the hun or something
[00:40] <+_cons_> i guess
[00:40] <@braveboy> sisu is too funny a word to be scandinavian
[00:40] <+_cons_> yeah the language family is called finnish-urgian i think
[00:40] <+_cons_> its finnish and hungarian and estonian i think
[00:41] <@braveboy> come on, they are blonde, how can they be mongolian
[00:41] <+_cons_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages
[00:41] <@MorganS> URL: Finno-Ugric languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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[00:42] <+_cons_> well the huns didn't bring their women
[00:42] <@braveboy> if you tell them this, they will not like you :)
[00:42] <+_cons_> no but where have their language come from
[00:43] <+_cons_> it isn't scandinavian
[00:43] <@braveboy> estonians are like finnish
[00:43] <+_cons_> it's a completely different langauge family
[00:43] <@braveboy> i don't know about litva and lithuania
[00:43] <+_cons_> i worked on the scandinavian microsoft product activation here in liverpool
[00:44] <+_cons_> and a finnish woman there told me that some of the finnish words were also used in estonia
[00:44] <+_cons_> but the words had different meanings there
[00:44] <+_cons_> so it could be confusing it seemed
[00:44] <@braveboy> these are all small countries
[00:44] <@braveboy> finland is 5 million, estonia is little over 1 million
[00:44] <+_cons_> yeah thats true
[00:45] <@braveboy> the only thing they have is Nokia
[00:45] <+_cons_> norway have even less people that finland i think
[00:45] <@braveboy> but sweden has like 10 million
[00:45] <+_cons_> yeah sweden have more people
[00:45] <+_cons_> but their economy is smaller than norways now
[00:45] <@braveboy> 20 years ago sweden was 7 million and bulgaria almost 9 million
[00:45] <+_cons_> so they've almost fallen behind
[00:46] <@braveboy> now it is the other way round
[00:46] <+_cons_> where have all the bulgarians gone?
[00:46] <+_cons_> to germany?
[00:46] <@braveboy> died, emigrated
[00:46] <@braveboy> all over the world, mainly spain, italy
[00:46] <+_cons_> ok
[00:46] <+_cons_> is it better now, with the eu?
[00:47] <@braveboy> we are still new
[00:47] <@braveboy> only 5 years
[00:47] <@braveboy> hard to tell
[00:47] <+_cons_> ok
[00:47] <@braveboy> but the country is a mess
[00:47] <@braveboy> people have poor values
[00:48] <@braveboy> due to communism
[00:48] <+_cons_> ok i see
[00:48] <@braveboy> so it is not nice
[00:48] <@braveboy> that is why gabriella left :) maybe
[00:48] <+_cons_> yeah, i think she only left for half a year
[00:48] <+_cons_> i think shes probably a teacher in bulgaria now
[00:48] <+_cons_> in sports
[00:48] <@braveboy> life is almost impossible here, there is so many corruption and disorder
[00:49] <@braveboy> she is a coach now
[00:49] <+_cons_> i haven't heard from her, maybe i find her on facebook
[00:49] <+_cons_> don't remember the last-name
[00:50] <@braveboy> hard to find then
[00:50] <+_cons_> she lived in the neighbour-flat, with a muslim guy from syria and norway named brusk etc
[00:50] <@braveboy> a motley crew :)
[00:50] <+_cons_> but when i contact him on facebook he doesnt reply
[00:50] <+_cons_> gabriella also lived with an american student
[00:50] <@braveboy> he is shy :) maybe he doesn't like you
[00:50] <+_cons_> nicole erwin
[00:50] <+_cons_> probably
[00:50] <@braveboy> nicole sounds like a girl's name
[00:51] <+_cons_> yeah a girl/woman
[00:51] <+_cons_> she once asked me and brusk and another muslim
[00:51] <+_cons_> i think he was
[00:52] <+_cons_> if someone would take her to church on sunday
[00:52] <+_cons_> but i didn't say anything
[00:52] <+_cons_> since im not christian
[00:52] <@braveboy> maybe she was a baptist
[00:52] <+_cons_> im pagan or ateist or something
[00:52] <+_cons_> i dont know to be honest
[00:52] <@braveboy> aren;t you lutheran ?
[00:52] <+_cons_> shes worked in the obama-campaign
[00:52] <+_cons_> well the church in norway is lutherian
[00:53] <@braveboy> like a million other people :)
[00:53] <+_cons_> but im not that relegious
[00:53] <+_cons_> so i only go to church when there are funerals etc
[00:53] <@braveboy> uk is anglican which is not exactly lutheran
[00:53] <@braveboy> but you were baptized lutheran
[00:54] <+_cons_> yes i was baptised lutherian
[00:54] <+_cons_> but i've sent an e-mail to the norwegian state church now
[00:54] <@braveboy> we are eastern orthodox
[00:54] <+_cons_> saying i wanted out of the church
[00:54] <+_cons_> ok
[00:54] <@braveboy> like the russians
[00:55] <@braveboy> but we have muslim turks, and muslim slavs like in bosnia
[00:55] <@braveboy> it is a border region
[00:56] <+_cons_> http://johncons-mirror.blogspot.com/2011/07/jeg-sendte-en-facebook-melding-til_21.html
[00:56] <@MorganS> URL: johncons: Jeg sendte en Facebook-melding, til Nicole Erwin, som var en medstudent, ved University of Sunderland, høst og vintersemesteret vel, i 2004/05
[00:56] <+_cons_> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=51802299
[00:56] <@MorganS> URL: No title found.
[00:57] <@braveboy> cute american :)
[00:57] <@braveboy> all smiles
[00:58] <+_cons_> yeah she worked in the obama-campaign i think
[00:58] <+_cons_> when he became president
[00:58] <@braveboy> as a volunteer
[00:58] <+_cons_> she had a spanish lover in sunderland
[00:58] <+_cons_> yeah i guess
[00:58] <@braveboy> maybe she does it now too
[00:58] <+_cons_> beats me
[00:58] <@braveboy> spanish latino lover :)
[00:58] <@braveboy> she knows about good things in life :)
[00:58] <+_cons_> yeah a guy who 'always' wore a gap-hooded-sweater
[00:59] <+_cons_> he even visited her in the us i think
[00:59] <@braveboy> ok I have to go now
[00:59] <@braveboy> see you around :)
[00:59] <+_cons_> if you contact nicole erwin maybe she knows what gabriella is doing now
[00:59] <+_cons_> yep np
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