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From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
To: bureau@liverpoolcab.org
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:08:46 +0000
Subject: The Chair, Liverpool Central CAB.

Hi,

I've been adviced that I could contact The Chair, Liverpool Centrat CAB, on
this e-mail
address, if I wasn't satisfied with the response on the complaint, that I
sent Complaint &
Policy Officer Saffron Follows, on 23/5.

I'm sorry that it has taken some time for me to send this complaint, but
I've been some
problems with that the e-mail address, which is to be found on the Dale Str.
CAB's
webisite (http://www.liverpoolcab.org/), is wrong.

It says that the email-address to your office, is
bureau@liverpoolcab.f9.co.uk, but if one
tries to send an e-mail to that e-mail address, then one only gets an e-mail
in return,
telling that it is an invalid e-mail address, or something similar.

But when I contacted your representative, Mr. Khan again, I got to know,
that the right
e-mail address, is in fact bureau@liverpoolcab.org.

So this delayed this e-mail a bit, and also, the CAB's dealing with my
complaint, took
around two or three months longer than scheduled, so I hope it's alright, if
I've also
used some weeks on getting to find out how to do regarding this complaint.

I've been asking for advice, on how to deal with this, so that's why it has
taken a bit
longer than it would have done otherwise, but I appologise for this, and
hope that
this is alright.

The way I've written this complaint, is that I have written inbetween the
CAB-representative,
Mr. Khans answers to my original complaint.

It's a bit down in this e-mail, and I've marked the new complaints, like
this: '*New complaint:'*.

I hope that it's alright that I've written the complaint like this.

And I also think, like I've written a bit down in the document, that these
lies and suspected
'set ups', are very serious, so due to this, I expect that these things are
dealt with in a
professional matter, and I will, like I write in one of the new complaints,
bring these serious
issues up with the police, in an already scheduled meeting, at the beginning
of next month,
with The Merseyside Police.

So hope that this is investigated in a thorough and professional manner,
since I think these
are very serious issues, that I think should be dealt with responsible.

So I'm a bit expecting to receiving the results of your investigation,
explaining what you intend
to do regarding these issues.

I hope that this is alright!

Yours sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog


On 10/22/07, Kristian Khan wrote:

> Mr Ribsskog
>
> Please acept my apologies for the dealy in replying to you - I have been
> out of the office for 2 weeks.
>
> Should you wish to contact the Chair then you would need to send you email
> to: bureau@liverpoolcab.org
>
> Regards
>
> KRISTIAN KHAN
> GENERAL UNIT COORDINATOR
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 08 October 2007 01:01
> *To:* Kristian Khan
> *Subject:* Re:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I tryed to send your organisation an e-mail, to the e-mail address, that
> is on your website (http://www.liverpoolcab.org/),
> but the e-mail wasn't working, that's why I'm sending e-mail.
>
> I was just wondering, to which e-mail address, I should send to, if I
> wanted to contact the Chair, Liverpool Central CAB.
>
> Thanks in advance for the reply!
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Erik Ribsskog
>
>
>
>
> On 9/6/07, Kristian Khan wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr Ribsskog.
> >
> > I am contacting you with regard to the complaint that you submitted to
> > Saffron Follows, Citizens Advice complaints and policy officer, on 23rd
> > May 2007. I have now been able to undertake an investigation into the
> > issues that you raised and my finding are detailed below.
> >
> >
> >
> > I understand that you attended the Bureau on 27th February 2007 and saw
> > our Duty Solicitor Eleanor Pool on a free first interview basis about a
> > harassment at work issue. Ms Pool completed a B ureau Legal Information
> > Service sheet in which she advised you that you possibly may have a
> > claim for harassment but there was insufficient time to obtain full details
> > and you would benefit from speaking to someone who could advise on
> > criminal aspect as well. Ms Pool took the case back to her firm,
> > Morecrofts. You state that on 28th February you received a letter from
> > Eleanor Pool informing you that they could take on the case at a cost
> > of £140 per hour. I take the the view that any action taken by a
> > solicitor after we have facilitated a free first 1/2 hour interview is
> > not our concern - these concerns would need to be addressed to the solicitor
> > directly and therefore I do not concede that the Bureau is responsible for
> > this
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5th April 2007 you had an appointment to see an Employment Duty
> > Solicitor from EAD at 1.30pm. EAD rang shortly before your appointment
> > to say that unfortunately no one from the firm was available to attend. As
> > this phonecall was received very close to 1.30pm you arrived minutes
> > later. (From my recollection the preceding client/s had failed to attend
> > anyway).
> >
> >
> >
> > As is common practice I apologized to you explaining that it was not our
> > fault and provided you with the phone number of EAD so that you could
> > contact them yourself to arrange an appointment with them to replace the
> > cancelled on of 5th April 2007.
> >
> >
> >
> > You state in your complaint that you rang EAD and spoke to Michael
> > Reiner who took details of the case and advised you that you wereoutside of
> > the 3-month time limit to commence employment tribunal proceedings and
> > that only in very limited circumstances could this time limit be extended.
> > You further state that you enquired about Legal Aid over the phone but
> > Mr Reiner advised that he could not provide advice on this over the phone.
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I am concerned you did received a free initial interview from
> > EAD, ableit in telephone form, so as such I do not feel that the Bureau
> > was at fault.
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Below I have taken each of the individual points that you made *(in
> > bold)* and offered my response to each. I have copied and pasted the
> > complainant's points from the actual email complaint made by you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *1. I think the CAB should have set up a new meeting between the duty*
> >
> > *solicitor and myself, when the duty solicitor canceled the scheduled*
> >
> > *meeting there on 05/04/07.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > I did not set up a new meeting because the next employment duty
> > solicitor slot was not until 24th April and that was fully booked.
> > Therefore the next appt. would have been at some point in May and I was
> > reluctant to leave things this long as I was aware (without knowing the
> > details of the case) that time limits may have been evident. Furthermore,
> > when Duty Sols. cancel they invariable see/speak to those clients at our
> > request who were booked either on the same day or shortly after.
> >
>

*New complaint*: I think that the CAB-representative, regardless of the when
the next employment duty solicitor slot was, should have offered to set up a
new meeting, when the dury solicitor canceled.



>
> >
> > *2. I think they should have informed me about the name of the duty *
> >
> > *solicitor that canceled the meeting. They didnt do this even if I asked
> > *
> >
> > *them about this twice.*
> >
> >
> >
> > We did not know the name; indeed we do not habitually know the names -
> > the firms send different people and it was the firm who rang to cancel
> > saying that no one from the firm was available to attend.
> >
> >
> >
> *New complaint:* If the CAB didn't know the name of the duty solicitor,
then I don't think the CAB should have adviced me to contact the EAD
law-firm.

I think they at least should have given me a contact-name or a
reference-number then, I don't think it was a professional way to sort this,
by just giving me the phonenumber (or rather fax-number first), and ask me
to call the company, without giving me any form of contact person name or
reference-number.





> *3. I dont think the CAB should have adivised me to contact the duty*
> >
> > *solicitors firm EAD on the phone on 5/4, since one needs to go through*
> >
> > *the documents of the case in detail, to see if one are eligable for
> > legal*
> >
> > *aid. Which was what the scheduled meeting was supposed to be about.*
> >
> >
> >
> > Please see response to Question 1 - furthermore we do not take
> > responsibility for advising clients on their legal aid entitlements at the
> > Reception desk at the time of booking a Duty Solicitor appt - this is why
> > people are referred to the solicitor if they require specialist advice .
> >
> > **
> >
>

*New complaint:*

Well, I think it should have been obvious that when one are unemployed (like
I was at the time), then one shouldn't be set up to meet with a duty
solicitor who don't accept founding from the 'legal aid programme', without
the issue of the costs of the advice should have been brought up.

I was sent to the CAB by the Police, and told to ask to see a solicitor
regarding an employement-case (like the Police were calling it).

And then I think that I shouldn't have been set up to meet with a solicitor
who didn't accept founding from the legal aid program, unless this had been
agreed on between me and the CAB, before the meeting.

I don't see any sense, in setting up a meeting (to discuss an empoyement
case, like the Police said it was), between a person who is unemployed and
out of founds, with a law-company who are only accepting founding from
private founds, and not from the legal aid programme.

I think that to set up a meeting like that, is a bit waste of time, and I
think it would have been much better to set up a meeting with a company who
was accepting founding from the legal aid programme.

I think this is really just common sense, and I can't see it differently,
than that I think that the CAB, if they wanted to to their work-tasks, in a
meaningful way, should brought up, and made clear, about the issues
surrounding the founding, and the legal aid programme, before the meeting
with the duty solicitor was set up.



> *4. I dont think the CAB, like they for the meeting on 5/4, should set
> > *
> >
> > *me up for a meeting with a Solicitors firms (EAD), that aren't based *
> >
> > *in Liverpool. The Solicitor-firms that they set up to do task of Duty
> > Solicitor *
> >
> > *representaton, should be based in Liverpool, for practical reasons, *
> >
> > *if someone wants to go to the Solicitors office to speak with *
> >
> > *someone there etc.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > EAD are based in Liverpool. Their address is: Prospect House, Columbus
> > Quay, Riverside Drive, Liverpool, L3 4DB.
> >
>
*New complaint: *(Even if I think this point, must mostly be said to be my
fault).

Yes, I saw that later when I sent the Law Society resolution form by e-mail
to the EAD law-firm.

It was my mistake, since they hadn't got any offices in the centre of
city, they only had offices in the outskirts, so to speak,
so I wasn't aware of that there was a place in Liverpool called Colombus
Quay, like the EAD answered, when I asked them
if they were situated in Liverpool, because their number wasn't to be found
in the 'Mersey 2005/06 Yellow Pages'.

So when I asked the EAD-company, on the phone, if they were situated in
Liverpool, they (the receptionist, Stephanie, it says
on my note).

They only answered that they were situated in the Colombus Quay area. But
they didn't answer directly, yes or no, to my
question, regarding if they were based in Liverpool.

So it was a misunderstanding between the EAD and me.

But maybe I should have been set up to meet a company from the centre of the
city then, but that's a bit to much to ask,
because I'm not really sure how many law-firms there are in the city centre
of Liverpool, who are dealing with cases like
this, and who are participating in the duty solicitor programme.

So if there arn't that easy to find centraly placed law-companies, then I
understand that I was set up to meet with a company
that are a bit outside of the L2 area of Liverpool, in which both the Dale
St. CAB's address, and my own address is situated in.

So I think, must be said to be my mistake, and not the CAB's, if the
situation is like it's described above, with the addresses for the
law-firms.



>
> >
> >
> >
> > *5. I dont think the CAB should have given me the wrong number*
> >
> > *to the EAD solicitiors firm. *
> >
> >
> >
> > Upheld - I accidentally gave you the fax number (708-0606) and for this I
> > apologize.
> >
>

*New Complaint:*


I understand that's things like this can happen, that one maybe give the
wrong phone-number sometimes.

But, together with the other points in the complaint, it contributed, to
giving an unprofessional
impression of the CAB.

So, if it had only been the problem with the phone-number, then I wouldn't
have been making any fuzz/
complaints, but like it was on the meeting this day, it was several things
that could seem to be
unprofessional/peculiar.

It was the issue with the lights being turned off, I had to press twice
before someone would let me in,
the duty solictor had canceled the meeting, I wasn't offered a new duty
solicitors meeting, I wasn't given
the name of the duty solicitor or a contact-person, by the CAB this day, but
was only told to call
the EAD company, without being given any contact-person name, or other
spesific reference to say to
the receptionist answering my phone-call.

So, all in all, I thought it was very unprofessional meeting.

With the lights off, and giving the wrong phone-number, and the other
things, I though the general impression
of the CAB from the meeting, was so poor, that I thought it was a below the
standard, I think one should
be able to expect from a respectable organisation like the CAB.

(I also remember that I thought the fax number for the company was a bit
strange, I work with company research
and I thought it was a bit strange, that the phone number to EAD was 0151
735 1000, (ending on 1000), while
the fax-number was 0151 708 0606, (ending on 0606). I didn't see any
logic/system in the numbering of the
phone/fax-numbers, but this might be that I'm a bit caught up in my work.

And of course I know that this has nothing to do with the CAB, I just
thought I'd write it down, while I was
writing, so to speak.

Because I think that the fax-number was maybe a bit odd.

And if the phone/fax-numbers are a bit odd, like it doesn't look like
a phone-number for a big law-company,
since companies phone-numbers, oftern end on like 1000, and other
even numbers, so to me it really
looks a bit strange, that the CAB-representative, didn't notive that it was
an uneven number he was
reading to me, because I would imagine that most law-firms phone numbers are
even, or at least not
as odd as I think the EAD fax-number, could be said to be.

So I think this makes it a bit more strange that the CAB representative gave
me wrong phone-number that day.

But this could also be me being a bit caught up in my work.

It isn't easy for me to know how often the CAB represenatives are
calling/reading the law-firm phone-numbers.

But the representative didn't seem stressed at all, so one
could maybe suspect that there was something wrong
at the CAB since there were so many errors and strange incidents, especially
with having the lights turned on,
I thing was really strange, for an organisation that are recieving members
of the public, like the CAB is.)




*6. I think the CAB should have the lights on in the parts of their
> > offices*
> >
> > *where members of the public are recieved, and in their other public*
> >
> > *areas, during their opening hours. This to insure that contacts
> > between representatives from the CAB and *
> >
> > *members of the public are kept in an atmosphare that one would expect *
> >
> > *from a public place. (And not in an atmosphare that one would think*
> >
> > *belonged more to a privat place/situation.) I think they should have
> > the lights on during the opening hours, and that*
> >
> > *they should not arrange meetings with members of the public to be held
> > *
> >
> > *with the lights off. (Like they did when I went there for the Duty
> > Solicitors meeting, and ended *
> >
> > *up first sitting waiting for several minutes in the dark, and then
> > speaking with *
> >
> > *the CAB representative for several minutes in the dark, on 5/4).*
> >
> >
> >
> > The lights were *partially* switched off as we were closed for lunch. I
> > switched them on again when I began speaking to you and I admit that
> > they perhaps should have been left on fully in order to create a
> > professional atmosphere.
> >
>

*New complaint:*


The representative says that the lights were partially switched off.

But when I was 'buzzed' inside, after ringing the button by the CAB
entrance-door twice, I grabbed a folder on the
reception-desk, which was unpopulated.

There also was a young girl, like eleven or twelve years old maybe, sitting
in the stair-case, alone, for no appearent
reason, right outside the the hall where the CAB enterance-door is.

So this also added to the surreal experience of the meeting at the CAB, that
day, since the State House, is an office-
building I thought.

And then the lights were off at the CAB.

And there were no people present there.

I buzzed in by a man, who I don't think presented himself, and it must have
been from an office at CAB then, I reackon.

Because there no people at all there, no members of the puplic, and no
representatives from the CAB.

And it was dark.

I grabbed a folder ('A Merseyside Empolyement Law'-folder), from a
folder-display on the reception-desk.

I sat down in the chairs around the TV-set. In the waiting area. (I don't
think the TV was on).

Then I tried to read the folder, but it was to dark, it was like twilight so
to speak, so it was to exhausting
for the eyes to focus enough to read the folder, so I just had to give it
up, and wait for someone to appear.

And then the CAB representative appeared, maybe after five minutes, or
something like that.

And then he started appologising, since he hadn't called me to inform about
the cancelation of the meeting.

And then we were discussing why the meeting was canceled, what he would
advice me to do, that was
to call the EAD company the same day.

And I think that this could have been why I was given the wrong
telephone-number perhaps, because I
don't think the representative turned on the lights before reading the
phone-number.

Because I remember, that it wasn't untill the meeting was almost finished,
that the representative,
went to get me another folder from the folder-display at the reception-desk.


But I declined, since I had already grabbed the folder on my way in.

And the representative turned on the lights, which were on the way to the
folder-display.

It seemed a bit sureal and peculiar, to have the meeting in the dark.

I think the representative should have turned the lights on before the
meeting.

In fact, I think the CAB, should have turned the lights on, before leting me
in to their reception
area.

I've been working myself, as a food store manager, and other positions, in
one of Norways
biggest food-store chain, and also a few years in other food stores before
that.

So I've been working for close to fifteen years as a the food-store
business, and it would never
had crossed my mind, to not turn on the lights in the shop, before leting
the customers in.

If I had let the customers walk aroung in the shop with the trolleys,
started to scan the goods
in the check out, and then, right before I was going to tell them how much
the customer had
to pay, then I would get up from the check-out, and to the entrance of the
shop, and then
turn on the light.

If I had done something like that as a food-shop manager, I don't think I
would kept my job
for a very long time, and it would have seemed totally out of line, and very
unprofessional,
or I think I would even have to say extremely unproffesional.

It's just one of those things one don't do.

So for a thing like this to happen, like it did that day at the CAB, I would
have to say, that
something must have been wrong.

And now, when I'm writing this, I'm beginning to think, that the reason,
that the representative,
read me the fax-number, and not the phone-number to the EAD-company, must
have been,
that the lights were still turned off, causing that it was to dark to be
possible to read clearly,
resulting in the representative reading me the wrong phone-number.

And also remeber it clearly, that the representative, didn't turn on the
lights at the beginning
of the meeting, like the representative claims in the e-mail I'm answering
to now, but the
representative turned the lights on, at the end of the meeting, as I remeber
it, and also like
I wrote in the explanation-file, that I sent with as an enclosure together
with the orginal
complaint to Complaint & Policy Officer Saffron Follows on 23/5.

So it's clear to me that the CAB representative, General Unit Coordinator
Kristian Khan, is
lying when he says that he 'switched them [the lights] on again when I began
speaking to you',
like he is claiming in the e-mail I'm answering to now.

This is clear to me from three reasons, I remember that he switched the
lights on at the end
of the meeting, I've also written this in the explanation I sent Saffron
Follows on 23/5, and
also it seems to me that the problem with the CAB-representative, reading me
the fax-number
to the EAD, instead of their phone-number, must be due to the problems with
the lights being
turned off, in a way that made it impossible to read clearly, in the
reception, waiting and
main public meeting (that is where the CAB-solicitor usually sits, to give
advice to the
members of the public, when their turn to get advice is due) area.

I'd like to clearify when the lights were switched on, they switched on in
the last half of the
meeting, like a bit after half of the meeting had passed.

So that one can say that it was about one third, left of the meeting, when
the representative
turned the lights on.

So he did it in while the meeting was being held, and at some time in the
last half of the meeting.

I hope it's possible to understand what I mean.

It was under no circomstance, at the beginning of the meeting, that the
representative turned on
the lights.

And I also think's unacceptable to let people in to the CAB, at all, without
turning no the lights first.

They shouldn't let people wait in the waiting area, while the lights are off
at the CAB. (So that it's not
possible to read).

(And from a customer-support perspective, I also think someone should
receive the people that
are being buzzed in, and not let them wait for five to ten minuttes first (I
think it must have been),
like they did on this day.)

And this, that the CAB-representative, is lying, I think is very serious,
and I think it should
be dealt with in a formal way.

I also think that this, not having turned on the lights, might have been
conected with the
litle girl, just sitting, for no reason, in the stair-case, outside of the
CAB, and then
with the lights off at the CAB, I think this could have been some kind of
set-up in
connection with mob/mafia, that I have been having some problems with in
Norway
and Britain, and which is connected with the work-case, that I was
contacting the
CAB and the EAD, to get advice on, regarding the founding of (if I was
eligable
for legal aid or not).

So I think that also the Police should be brought into this, and I will do
that myself, in
a meeting that is already scheduled, that I'm having regarding these cases,
with
the Merseyside Police, in the beginning of next month.

So, I must really say, that I think you should investigate the lying and
also the other
strange situations that occured, with the 'set-up', with the girl in the
stair-case, and
the lights being turned off.

And also with the canceled meeting, and the other points mentioned in this
e-mail.

Also the fact that the solcitior, I think she is, the woman with the dark
hair, in her
fourties I think, that is working at the Dale St., CAB.

I thought it was peculiar, that she would appear, right before I went out of
the offices,
to just stand in the reception-area, by the chair there (I guess it must
have been
a chair there). And then just look out in the air, and not doing any
work-tasks,
but just looking out in the air, in the hight of my face/eyes, as like to
monitor
the expression on my face or something like that.

It was very surreal and peculiar, it was like she 'scanned' almost, the
expression
on face, how I looked, when I went passed her, and out of the CAB-offices,
when
the meeting was finished.

I don't think she returned my salutaion, I seem to remember that I noded to
her
at least, but she just stood there like carved in stone, I think one could
say.

(This should be more thoroghly explained, in the explanation, that I sent
Saffron Follows on 23/5, regarding if I saluted or not, like I seem to
remember
that I did now.)


*7. I think that the CAB should have informed before the meeting with the
> > *
> >
> > *Duty Solicitor from Morecrofts on 27/2, that the Morecrofts Solicitors
> > firm*
> >
> > *only accepted payment from private founds. And that Morecrofts didn't
> > accept founding founded by the legal aid-*
> >
> > *programme, like the Duty Solicitor from Morecrofts, Eleanor Pool,
> > informed*
> >
> > *me of on 22/3.*
> >
> >
> >
> > Please see response to Question 3.
> >
> >
> >
> > *8. I think that the CAB should have informed me before the meeting with
> > *
> >
> > *Duty Solicitor Eleanor Pool from Morecrofts there on 27/2, that the *
> >
> > *meeting only was scheduled to last for thirty minutes. I wasnt made
> > aware of this, untill Eleanor Pool first informed me of this when *
> >
> > *the thirty minutes had passed.*
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I am aware, clients are advised that the Duty Solicitor
> > service is a "free first 1/2. I can confirm that both Reception staff and
> > myself make clients aware of this at the time of booking the
> > appointment.
> >
>

*New complaint:*

I wasn't made aware of this, that the meeting was only sheduled to last for
30 minutes, at all, before the meeting.


> >
> > *9. I think the CAB should have explained to me about the legal aid
> > system, *
> >
> > *and how it works, before they set me up for the meeting with Duty
> > Solicitor*
> >
> > *Eleanor Pool from Morecrofts there on 27/2. Especially since this was
> > an employment-case (like I told them that the *
> >
> > *police had told me to tell them that it was). *
> >
> >
> >
> > Please see response to Question 3.
> >
> > **
> >
> > *10. I also think that the solicitor I got to speak with on the phone
> > (about when*
> >
> > *one would need a criminal solicitor), when I was at the CAB on 20/3,
> > should*
> >
> > *have explained to me what her name was, and which solicitors firm she
> > was *
> >
> > *calling from. I was put in a room at the CAB, and told to wait untill
> > the solicitor called me.*
> >
> > *But when I answered, I picked up the phone and said 'yes hello this is
> > Erik*
> >
> > *Ribsskog speaking', but the solicitor didnt say eighter what her name
> > was*
> >
> > *or the name of her company was, she just asked what my questions were.*
> >
> > * Also, when I had finished speaking with the solicitor on the phone,
> > then *
> >
> > *the CAB advisor had starting speaking with another member of the public
> > *
> >
> > *there, without informing me that our meeting was finished, and without*
> >
> > *me being alowed to finish explaining why I had gone there.*
> >
> > *I had gone there to ask about two things. *
> >
> > *1. About when one needs a criminal advisor, and 2. how the legal aid
> > system works. *
> >
> > **
> >
> > *But I only got to tell about the first point, before I was put in the
> > room to *
> >
> > *wait for the phone from the solicitor. Without me first being informed
> > that *
> >
> > *my meeting with the CAB advisor had finished.*
> >
> >
> >
> > If the solicitor failed to give her name then I am afraid that I do not
> > see how the Bureau was to blame for that. We cannot be held responsible
> > for what a solicitor does or does not do. You state that you attended
> > CAB on 20th March 2007 and spoke to a criminal solicitor by phone, and
> > then asked us about Legal Aid and was advised to check the CLS
> > Eligibility calculator. If the Bureau was fully booked on that day then
> > you may well have been advised to check this calculator as we like to offer
> > some "signposting" advice that will enable the client to undertake some
> > work/research on this case prior to their appointment at the Bureau. The
> > CLS calculator advised that it could not assist you as you wereself-employed and so
> > you returned to the CAB and was given the appt. 5th April 2007.
> >
>

*New complaint:*

I didn't ask to speak with a criminal solicitor, but I asked advice on when
one needed a criminal solicitor, since Moorecrofts had said
I'd might need one, in the letter, enclosure X, that I sent Follows.

My complaint was, that the solicitor, working with you, the woman with the
dark hair in her forties I think, didn't tell me
that our meeting was finished, before she left to start helping another
member of the public.

So, she didn't give me the oppertunity, to explain, that I had more
questions, which I would have made clear, if she had told
me, that the meeting was finished.

And I also think, that the solicitor, that the CAB got to call me, while I
was there, should have interduced herself, when she
called. (And also said which company she representated).

Because then I would know which person it was that gave me the advice, and
this could be useful to know, eg. if there were
some problems with someone being given wrong advice etc.

Thats why I think the solicitors calling to the CAB to give advice to a
member of the public, should interduce themselves, and
say which company they are working for.


> >
> > *11. So I think that the CAB advisor should have told me that the
> > meeting*
> >
> > *there on 20/3 was finished, before ending the meeting.*
> >
> > *Since this would have given me the chance to explain that there were
> > more *
> >
> > *things that I wanted to bring up in the meeting.*
> >
> >
> >
> > It would seem that there was no availabilty for you to see an adviser on
> > 20th March 2007 and this may explain why you were only given "signposting"
> > advice i.e. be allowed to talk to a solicitor on the phone and then be
> > given the CLS calculator website.
> >
>

*New complaint:*

Yes, I was let to speak with an advisor, but the advisor ended the meeting,
without informing me that the meeting had
finished, causing, that I didn't get to bring up both of the issues I had
intented to bring up in the meeting.


> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In conclusion I have investigated your concerns and I hope that you are
> > satisfied with this response, however you should remain dissatisfied then
> > you can contact the following:
> >
> >
> >
> > THE CHAIR
> >
> > LIVERPOOL CENTRAL CAB
> >
> > 1ST FLOOR
> >
> > STATE HOUSE
> >
> > 22 DALE STREET
> >
> > LIVERPOOL
> >
> > L2 4TR
> >
> >
> >
> > Yours Sincerley
> >
> >
> >
> > *KRISTIAN KHAN*
> >
> > *GENERAL UNIT COORDINATOR. *
> > **
> >
>
>
>

Dear Mr Ribsskog


I am writing further to your complaint of 23rd May 2007, which was submitted to Saffron Follows, Citizens Advice Complaints and Policy Officer. Ms Follows forwarded the complaint to the Bureau and Kristian Khan, General Unit Coordinator, investigated your complaint and provided a full response to you on 6th September 2007. I understand that you have now requested a review of your complaint and I have now had the opportunity to undertake this.


I understand that the main points of your complaint were as follows:


  • You feel that you should have been offered a new solicitor appointment after the duty solicitor cancelled the appointment that was scheduled for you on 05/04/07

  • That you were not informed of the name of the Duty Solicitor who was due to attend at the Bureau

  • That you should not have been advised to contact the Duty Solicitor by phone

  • That you should not have referred to a firm of solicitors who were not based in Liverpool

  • That you were given the wrong telephone number for the firm of solicitors

  • That the lights were switched off in the reception area, creating an unprofessional atmosphere and that Kristian Khan is lying to you when he stated in his response that he turned the lights back on when he began to speak to you.

  • That Eleanor Poole from Morecroft Solicitors should have informed you about Legal Aid

  • That you were not informed that the meeting with the solicitor was only to last for 30 minutes

  • That CAB should have explained to you about how the Legal Aid system works


Having reviewed your case and spoken to the members of staff concerned I have reached the following conclusions.


Mr Khan did not rebook a solicitor appointment because he followed normal Bureau procedure by providing you with the phone number of the solicitor who had failed to arrive so that you could speak to him directly. Mr Khan did this to ensure that you received advice from a solicitor with immediate effect and were not too inconvenienced by the solicitor failing to attend. Mr Khan did not feel that it would be appropriate for to you wait for the next solicitor appointment as Employment cases can have deadlines by which certain actions need to be taken. Had you simply been rebooked for the next appointment then there would be a risk that you may have missed legal deadlines and Mr Khan did not wish for you to suffer any prejudice. I am satisfied that Mr Khan acted correctly and do not uphold this element of your complaint.


It may be useful here to explain how the Duty Solicitor scheme works. The solicitors who come to the Bureau are from different firms of solicitors around the city and come to us on a voluntary basis. We do not employ these solicitors. We operate this scheme to try and increase community access to specialist legal advice by facilitating a free half hour session with a solicitor.


The CAB does not generally know the names of the solicitors who attend at the Bureau, only the name of the firm from which they are sent. That is why we were unable to provide you with the name of the solicitor and I do not uphold this aspect of your complaint.


The firm of solicitors who you were given the number of are based in Liverpool and Mr Khan, in his reply to you of 6th September provided you with their full address to illustrate this point.


Mr Khan has admitted to you in his reply of 6th September that he did accidentally provide you with the fax number of the firm of solicitors instead of the phone number and has apologised for this error. I would also like to offer my apologies for any inconvenience that this may have caused you.


The lights were partially switched off in the Reception area as we were closed for lunch for clients who did not have an appointment. Mr Khan maintains that he did switch the lights back on when he began to speak to you. May I offer my apologies if you felt that this presented an unprofessional impression of the Bureau, this was not intended.


With regard to Eleanor Poole not informing you about Legal Aid, this is not something the CAB has responsibility for. The aim of our duty solicitor scheme is to facilitate a free, half hour interview with a solicitor. I have spoken to Reception staff who have informed that they do inform clients when booking duty solicitor appointments that the interview does last for 30 minutes and I have no reason to doubt that this did not occur on this occasion. If this was the case then please accept my apologies. If a client needs further advice beyond this free, half hour interview then any costs, fees

etc need to be discussed between the client and the solicitor. If the solicitor did not inform you of Legal Aid then this is not the fault of the CAB.


I trust that I have dealt with all aspects of your complaint, however if you do still remain dissatisfied you are entitled to ask for a further review to be conducted under the direction of the chief executive of the national association, Citizens Advice, the contact details being:










The Complaints Officer

Citizens Advice

Myddleton House

115 – 123 Pentonville Road

London

N1 9LZ


Yours sincerely




PATRICK KENT

CHAIR – TRUSTEE BOARD

LIVERPOOL CENTRAL CAB











From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
To: Richard.Little@liverpool.gov.uk
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:06:15 +0000
Subject: Complaint

Hi,

I'm refering to phone-call last week (4/7). I know I said I'd send this
e-mail no
later than Wednesday, but I didn't get to start on it untill late on
Wednesday,
so it's probably going to be Thursday untill I get to actually send the
e-mail,
so sorry about that!


*Problems with washing women/girls in the mens changing-room during opening
hours:*

The first thing I wondered about, was regarding the problems described in
the e-mail I sent to Linda Lennon on 8/6, about the washing girl/women in
the mens changing-room.

I'll copy the text from that e-mail into this e-mail, since I have some
questions
regarding that episode:

to linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk date Jun 8, 2007 10:58 PM subject Fwd:
Statement mailed-by gmail.com Hi,

I just got back from the gym, it closed at 9 pm.

I just had to eat a bit and relax a bit after the work-out, or else I would
have sent the
email at once.

Because what I'm wondering about with the gym, is:

Is it really right that there should be female washing-staf in the mens
wardrobe
at 8.45 pm, when the gym closes at 9pm?

This happened again today, and it has also happened once before.

I used to workout a bit when I lived in Oslo and Sunderland as well, but
they never
used to start washing the wardrobe until after the closing hours.

So I think that since the gym is run by the Council, I think that they
shouldn't
have the washing-routines that includes female staff starting to wash in the

mens wardrobe as early as 8.45 pm.

I think they should wait until after closing-hours to wash the mens
wardrobe,
and that if they have to wash, then they could maybe instead wash the
machines
in the gym or something else before the gym is closed.

When I went into the mens wardrobe at 8.45 pm then there was a female
washing
staff washing there, about 40 years maybe with dark hair.

I think she was talking with a colleague in there, it was probably the other
washing-
woman.

I was working out on the tread-mill by the reception untill a bit before
8.45 pm, and
then I saw the washing-staff walking around in the reception-area at around
8.40 pm.

And one of the washing-staff looked quite young, maybe 16-17 years.

I think it must have been her that the washing-woman with dark hair spoke
with in
the mens wardrobe at 8.45.

I don't think there should be that young female washing staff in the mens
wardrobe
at 8.45, when the gym closes at 9.00pm.

It has happened once earlier as well that there were female washing staff in
the
mens wardrobe at around 8.45, and I just think that this isnt right.

I think that both the staff in the gym and the washing staff should
understand by
themselves that the female washing staff shouldnt start to wash in the mens
wardrobe untill after the closing hours at 9 pm, so thats why I havent
complained
about this to the staff in the gym or the washing staff.

I think that it should be unecessary for me to tell this to them, I think
they should
have understood this by themselves.

And Im not really sure whos in charge there in the evenings eighter.

There has also been other incidents at the gym that I have thought to
complain
about, but I havent untill now.

But with the washing-staff in the mens wardrobe again today at 8.45 pm, was
a bit like the final drop, so since Im not really sure whos in charge there
in the
evening I thought that I could send you an email about this.

And also since one of the washing women was so young, it makes me a bit
worried about whats going on in the gym, when they put a washing woman/
girl that looked like she was maybe 16 or 17 in the mens wardrobe at 8.45pm,
so therefore I thought I should really just write the email now, because
that this
is a bit unacceptable for a gym thats run by the Council.

I know its a bit late to send emails at this hour, but it thought that since
I think
that this way of organising the washing-routines in the gym is a bit
unaceptable,
I thought that if I sent the email about this right after I got back from
the gym,
then there would be less possibilites that eg. someone could say that I must
have
mistaken the time etc, since now its just a quite short time since I left
the gym,
so I reckoned that its best to send it right away, while I still have the
details at
mind so to speak.

So I hope that this is alright!

Sorry that I send the email this late.

Regards,

Erik Ribsskog
- Show quoted text -


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Erik Ribsskog
Date: Jun 8, 2007 3:45 PM
Subject: Statement
To: linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk


Hi,

I refer to the phone-call earlier today, and send the statement from
the bank about the duplicate payment with the direct-debit.

Pleare just contact me if there is anything else I should have remembered.

Hope that this is alright!

Regards,

Erik Ribsskog


So my questions regarding this is:

1. How come that there are washing women/girls in the mens changing-room at
8.45 pm,
when the gym closes at 9 pm?

2. Is the gym going to change its washing-routine, so that the washing
women/girls dont
start to wash the mens changing-room untill after the gym is closed.
(Because like I explained
in the e-mail to Linda Lennon, this with the washing women in the mens
changing-room has
also happened earlier at the Millenium gym, but I've never seen it in other
gyms).


*Problems with direct-debit processing errors/duplicate payments:*
**
Also, I have been in contact with Lesley Southern, about some problems
regarding processing
errors/duplicate direct debits from the gym.

I explained to him that I would also bring up some the issues regarding this
with you, so I think
its alright if I also copy the contents of that e-mail:



from
Erik Ribsskog

hide details
Jul 10 (2 days ago)

to
"Southern, Lesley"


date

Jul 10, 2007 6:18 PM


subject

Re: Earlier e-mails


mailed-by

gmail.com

Hi,

thank you very much for your answer.

I think it was very fine that you had the time to answer me, and I also
think that it was very
fine that you have taken off my arrears due to the amount of
time/inconvinience I have had
due to this.

But since there were still some things I was wondering about, I thought I
could try to send
you an enquiery about this, to try to maybe found out about this.

I've written an explanation below, as comments on your e-mail, since I
thought it was easier
to explain/answer this way.

To summarize my questions:

1. Shouldn't the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an
extra payment (that they
had no mandate for) from my account in June?

2. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting
to be withdrawn
from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to
withdraw one monthly
payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the
gym, that I would pay the
arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had
sent Linda Lennon,
Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6,
with a copy of the
statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym
charging me duplicate
payments from my account for the month of June?

3. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from
my account for the
month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from
25/6?

I'm also going to contact the Duty Officer at the gym regarding why the gyms
members weren't
informed about the six weeks closure of the gym and more. So it might be
that I'll also ask him
about some of the same questions. (Like about why the gym still wanted to
charge me even
if they were going to be closed etc.)

I hope you have the time to answer me about this questions, since I thought
some of these things
were a bit strange, so it would be nice to be informed about this.

So I hope that you bear over with me if I'm asking many questions!

Thank you very much in advance!

Yours sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog






On 7/3/07, Southern, Lesley wrote:

> Erik
>
> Your enquiry regarding your direct debit payments has been passed onto
> myself for further investigation.
>
> Unfortunately we cannot refund a payment to a member that has outstanding
> arrears, this is for audit purposes as we are required to provide details of
> all miscellaneous payments made to our members.
>
> The action we have taken to date is to take your 1 month overpayment as
> your cancellation fee (which is normally 2 months) and we have taken your
> arrears off your membership record for the inconvenience caused as a result
> of the error.
>
- Regarding the overpayment, it wasn't actually an overpayment, because when
the bank saw that it had been a
process error/duplicate payment from the gym, then they transferred the
duplicate payment back as a
'interbranch payment' on 6/6.

(Secondly, I think that I shouldn't recieve a cancellation fee, when the gym
suddently closes for 6 weeks
for refurbishment. I think that then the gym should have first sent its
members a letter about this, put
up a poster at the gym about this, and also not charged its members for the
month that they are closed,
but I have to contact the Duty Officer at the gym about something else, so
I'll bring this up with him.)



> I have checked the Direct Debit report and it seems that the overpayment
> dates back to a missed January payment which has been allocated to your
> account on 30 th May. I will need to speak to our Direct Debit team to
> determine why a payment for January has been included in June's Direct Debit
> report.
>
I've been speaking with the staff (including the Manager) at the gym several
times about the arrears, and we agreed that I would
pay the arrears later, when I recieved some money I was expecting (a
switch-bonus from the bank).

This was agreed with Craig at the gym, when we set up the direct-debit
agreement in May.

I spoke with Craig about this on 1/6 as well, since I hadn't recieved the
switch-bonus yet, and then I was informed
that the arrear was £70.50, and we agreed that I would pay this when I
recieved the money from the bank.

So my point is, that they should have told me first if they wanted to
withdraw an extra payment from my account
on 1/6, so that I could have planned this in advance.

Also, this (RBS) bank account was set up in May, so I don't really
understand how a missed direct-debit
payment to my old (Barclays) account in Januray, could suddently appear on
my RBS-account in June?

It seems a bit strange to me that this could happen, when I also had agreed
several times with the staff
at the gym (in the month of March and then monthly), that I would pay the
running bills, and that I'd pay the
arrears when I recieved the switch-bonus from RBS.

Also I had been told by the staff at the gym, that there was no hurry at all
with the arrears, as long as I
paid the running bills.

- Also the bank told me when I called them in the beginning of June, that
the gym wasn't allowed to
withdraw more than one payment a month from my account, since they only had
one mandate.

- Also, when I called the gym on 26/6, to ask if they were open on 26/6,
(since they were closed for
no apparent reason on 25/6), then I was told that the gym was closed for
refurbishment for six weeks.

I then thought that it wasn't right that the gym should charge me for the
month of July, when they were
closed. (I also thought they should have informed the members about the six
weeks closure). So due
to this, I called my bank (the RBS customer-support line) on 27/6 to cancel
the direct-debit.

I was then told that there were still two direct-debits from the gym on my
account, both with the same,
reference-number (LIFE 800 1561).

- So I was wondering, how come that there were still two payment-requests
from the gym waiting to
be withdrawn on my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a
mandate to withdraw one
monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at
the gym, that I would
pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank, and thirdly,
I had sent Linda Lennon,
Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6,
with a copy of the
statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym
charging me duplicate
payments from my account?



>
> Your account has now been set to expired and no payment was requested in
> July.
>

Well, there were actually two payments requested in July (see above
So my questions regarding this is:

3. Shouldn't the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an
extra payment (that they
had no mandate for) from my account in June?

4. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting
to be withdrawn
from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to
withdraw one monthly
payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the
gym, that I would pay the
arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had
sent Linda Lennon,
Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6,
with a copy of the
statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym
charging me duplicate
payments from my account for the month of June?


*Problems around the closure of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to
refurbishment:*

5. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from
my account for the
month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from
25/6?

6. How come that there were no letters sent to the members of the gym
regarding the closure
of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?

7. How come that there were no poster in the gym informing the users of the
gym that the gym
would be closed for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?

8. How come that there was only a makeshift sign on the entrance-door to the
millenium-
building saying 'gym closed', and nothing more when I went there to work out
on the
evening on 25/6. (Shouldn't it have been a proper sign, with information
about why the
gym was closed, how long the gym was closed for, and not just some makeshift

sign written with an ink-marker)?

9. How come that there were no information about the fact that the gym was
closed, when
I went on the lifestyles website:

(
www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Sports/Leisure_Centres_and_Pools/Lifestyles_Millennium/index.asp
)

on 26/6 (When the gym had been closed since 25/5)?

(I can see that it says that the gym is closed there now, but on 26/6, there
was no information
about the gym being closed at all. I went there to see if it said anything
on the website on 26/6,
since the gym was closed for no obvious reason on 25/6, but it didn't say
anything about the gym
being closed on the website, so I noted down the phone-number to the gym,
and called the gym,
and they told me that the gym was closed for six weeks due to
refurbishment.)

10. How come that members of the gym were charged for the whole month of
June, when the gym
was closed for refurbishment from 25/6? (Shouldn't the six days from 25/6 to
30/6 have been
deducted from the charge?).


*Other problems at the gym:*
**
Like I wrote in my e-mail to Linda Lennon on 8/6, there had also been other,
earlier incidents at
the gym which I had thought to complain about.

But like I also wrote, it wasn't always easy to know who it was that was in
charge there after the
manager had gone home, and him I only spoke with once, since I most often
worked out in the
evening.

And that the incident with the washing girls/women in the mens changing room
again within the
opening hours was the last drop, so to speak.

And then it was easier for me to complain, because then I had her e-mail
address from before,
since I had sent her a copy of the statement from the bank, to document the
problems with
the duplicate direct debit/processing error from the gym.

So then it was easier for me to complain.

I'm going to try explain a bit more about the earlier incidents:

*Problems with locker:*

On 26/4, it says in my note-book, I was at the gym.

I work with office-work, so I try to work out quite often, and I usually use
different lockers at the
gym, depending on which locker of the lockers that are free etc.

And when one work out 3-5 days a week for some time, and you have a
different locker each time,
then it could be that one forgets exactly which locker one uses this
particular time.

And, since only about half of the key-rings with the keys for the lockers
had tag-numbers on them,
this could be a bit confusing.

So when I was finished with the work-out, and I went to the area of the
changing-room where my
locker was, then the locker wouldn't open.

Like I wrote, I use different lockers each time, depending on which lockers
that are free, where in
the changing-room it is less crowded etc.

So it isn't that easy to be exactly sure if it is that particular locker,
especially since the key-ring
to the locker (like about half of the other key-rings, i noticed later),
lacked a number-tag on it,
to specify which locker it belonged to.

I usually dont keep things like my wallet etc. in the locker, since its a
big gym, always many
people there, and I would get a lot of inconvienience if something happened
to my wallet etc.,
so I didn't keep the most 'valuble' things in the locker.

I use to keep my note-book with my wallet, so I had my note-book still on
me, and I thought it
was a bit embarresing going to the reception explaining that I coultn't find
my locker, so I decided
to be 100% sure before I did that.

So, I just wrote down the numbers of all the lockers in my note-book, and
then I checked each
and every locker, and crossed the number for that locker in my note-book.

I made sure to check each lock thoroughly.

So, when I had checked each lock in the changing-room, and the key didn't
fit in any of them,
then I went to the reception to explain.

It was still quite embarresing, but at least now I had the note-book to show
that I had tryed all
of the locks.

There were about 5 or 6 people sitting in the reception, and the woman in
charge, told Neil to
help me with this.

I explained to Neil that maybe the smartest thing for me would be to return
at closing-time,
when all the other users of the gym had gone home, then it would only be one
locker left
to check.

I was holding my note-book still, so I wrote down that Neil started acting a
bit like a sergeant
in the army, knocking his fist into the side of the enterance to the
changing-room and screaming
/comanding: 'come here'.

I thought this behaviour was a bit peculiar, but I went after him into the
changing-room, and then
he starting to ask if I had been having a few beers. (Since I couldnt
remember the number for
the locker).

I asked him what his name was, and wrote it down.

Then I showed him that I had tryed all the lockers, and that noone worked,
and that there wasnt
any number-tag on the key-chain for the locker.

He asked me which locker I thought it was, and I told him that I thought it
was the number 156
one. (It says in my note-book).

So he asked me to give him the key, so that he could try the number 156
locker and the
surrounding lockers.

But he couldnt manage to open any of them, so he went to find the
master-key.

This took a bit of time, but he returned and then opened the locker with the
new key.

It was locker 156, and I showed him in my note-book that I had already tryed
to open
locker 156 with the key, because I had crossed out that number in the
note-book.

Neil said that 'the locks often get stuck.', I can see from my note-book.

I found a new locker (since I didnt have the key any longer to the 156 one),
and Neil
reminded me to remember the key-number.

I told him that I thought that there should be key-tags on the key-rings for
the lockers.

Also, the next time I went to the gym, the woman in charge reminded me that
I should
remember the key-number, and then I told the woman in charge that I thought
that
there should be key-tags on the key-rings. (But there still wasnt done
anything
with this problem, and about half of the key-rings were still missing a
key-tag
for the remainder of the time I was working out at the gym).

So my questions regarding this is:

11. How come there are so much problems with the locks getting stuck in the
lockers?
I mean, surely the gym bought new lockers when they opened? And its the
Millennium
building gym, so the building and the gym can't be that old? (Did someone
buy used
lockers for the gym when it opened)?

12. How come the gym doesn't use oil in the locks for the lockers, if it,
like Neil said,
is a problem with the 'locks often get stuck'?

13: And why didn't the gym put key-tags on the lockers, when about half of
the key-
tags were missing, and I had spoken about this problem with both Neil and
the woman
who was in charge there on the day this incident ocured, I think it was on
26/4?


*Problems with the washing of the machines:*

When I wrote the e-mail about the problem with the washing women/girls in
the
mens changing-room in the opening hours, then it came to mind that maybe
the washing-should should rather wash the machines, and then wait untill
the gym has closed, before they washed the changing-rooms.

The reason I thought about this, is because I remembered an incident from
when
I was working out, I think it must have been in April or May.

Then I was working out at the thread-mill, and this was I seem to remember
hours
before closing-time.

There were a couple of washing-ladys there, even if it was still a few hours
until
closing-time.

They were just walking around a bit, seemingly not certain on the routine.

But then one of the washing ladies started to wash the stepping-machine in
front
of me. But what I thought was a bit strange, was that she only washed the
tip of
one of the handles of the stepping machine, and then nothing else. This she
did
twice with a few minuttes inbetween.

Other than that, I couldn't see that eighter she or her collegue washed any
of the
other machines. (They looked a bit lost there, walking around with their
buckets
while the gym was still quite crowded, since it was hours till
closing-time.)

My question regarding this is:

14: Shouldn't the washing-staff put up a sign near the machines when they
wash
them during the time of which the gym is open? Couldn't people get hurt if
they work out on machines that are slippery from being washed? I seem to
remember from other places I've been working etc., that yellow plastic signs
are being put on the floor etc., saying that one have to be careful since
its
newly washed, so shouldn't the washing staff in the gym also do this when
they clean the machines within the opening hours?


*Problems with staff:*

Like I've written, there have been some incedents before that I have
wondered
if I should complain about, but I'm not always sure whos in charge there, so

this makes it a bit more tricky to complain, and I've also had the problem
with the arrears on my membership, and the manager let me work out
there and pay the arrears later, so there was a threshold before I would
complain.

But I wrote down in my note-book a couple of things I reacted on anyway.

I was wondering a bit what was going on there, e.g. on 24/5 Craig and
a blond girl sits in the reception.

Only Craig logs in the members, even if there is a long queue. The girl
is only watching. (I think maybe she is his girlfriend, since I noticed
them sitting very close once when I wanted to log in).

So I was wondering, if there is a long queue, surely both of them could
log in the users of the gym, so that they wouldn't have to wait in a line,
like if some of the customers are there to sign up for a membership,
then still everyone have to wait in one line, even if there are more
staff at work.

So then I was wondering what is the girl doing there, if she cant log in
the customers, and is only sitting watching.

And I think she had been working there a while then, so I dont think
she was on training.

So this seemed a bit strange to me, so I thought I could mention it
while Im writing this e-mail anyway.

Also, I remember, that one Friday I was working out there, then they
annonced the closing of the gym like this:

'The gym will be closing in 60 minutes', 'The gym will be closing in
45 minutes', 'The gym will be closing in 30 minutes', 'The gym will
be closing in 15 minutes'.

I think it was the same girl, but it seemed like it was Craig that told
her to say it.

Normally they only say 'The gym will be closing in 20 minuttes', or
something like this, so I thought I could mention this as well, even
if its maybe not so important what they say on the calling-system
in the Friday evenings? Anyway, I thought I could mention it while
I was writing the e-mail anyway.

My question to this is:

15. How come the staff only sits watching while the customers are
standing in line?

16. Shouldn't the staff have name-tags, where it said name and title,
so that it would be easier for the users of the gym to know who to
speak with regarding different problems. (So that they know who
are in charge)?

(For instance, on the day when there were washing girls/women in
the mens changing room, and they must have been there from
around 8.40 pm. or earlier, because I went in there on 8.45 pm,
and then they were well into their routine it looked like, before I
turned and went home.

On that day (8/6), the staff that were working around closing-time,
was Neil, a young girl that wears high-healed shoes and blouse,
and a man around 40 years maybe that I think could maybe is the
girls father, because I saw him standing very close to the girl once.

I thought maybe the girl was in a kind of responsible position there,
since she wear office-clothes, but the guy in his forthies I reckon
also could be in charge there, since hes the oldest etc., and also
Neil I reckoned could have been in charge, since he has access
to the master-keys etc.

So its a bit embarrasing asking about whos in charge, because
you wouldn't want to offend anyone, with asking whos in charge,
and then its actually that person who is in charge.

I don't say that it is impossible for the customers of the gym to
find out whose in charge, but I thought that it could maybe add
to the general level of customer-service at the gym if the staff
was wearing name-tags.

I wrote down a note of who that was working that day, so that
I would know later, since I wrote the e-mail that day with the
complaint about the washing-staff in the chaning-room, so I
thought I'd write it down, in case it became an issue.)

17. Should they really anounce that the gym is closing in 60 minutes,
and that the gym is closing in 45 minutes etc.?



*Problems with direct-debit agreement on 13/12/06:*

While I was looking for some notes before I started writing this
e-mail now, I found a letter from the gym from 8/12/06.

I'll just write what it says:

'Dear Mr. Ribsskog,

RE: Lifestyles Membership No: LDD121346

As a valued Lifestyles member, I was surprised to find that your monthly
Lifestyles subscription of £23.50 due earlier this month has not been paid.

You may be aware of this already and have made payment at the
Lifestyles centre, if so, please accept my apologies.

If you have not paid these arrears, I would ask that you pay them at your
earliest convienience by contacting your nearest Lifestyles Centre. Your
membership account can be updated at any of the centres and you can
pay either by cash, cheque, credit or debit card.

Please contact Liverpool Direct on 0151 233 3007 for the number of your
nearest Lifestye centre.

I regret that until any arrears have been paid, standard admission
charges will apply and you will lose the benefits of your membership.

Yours feithfully

Steve Kneale

Business Development Manager'.



(I write quite fast, so I thought I could just write it down, so that it
would be
easier to understand what I meant.)

There were some problems regarding me switching from a Barclays Cashcard
account to a Barclays Current-account at around the end of
November/beginning
of December 2006.

The problem was that my pay from work was switched to the new
current-account,
whereas the direct-debits remained connected to the old account.

I was in a busy period with work etc., so I didnt think about this problem
before I
got a letter from the bank about it.

So I went to the bank, and transfered all my direct-debits from my old
Barlays
cashcard account, and to my new Barclays current/visa account.

The clerk in the bank did this for me, it was a quite routine operation it
seemed
to me.

Exept for the Lifestyles direct-debit for some reason.

This direct-debit had been canceled right away, in a way so that the clerk
in the
bank couldnt transfer it to the new account.

And when I went to the gym on 13/12, I had to pay the charge for Decemeber
at
the gym, and it wasn't possible for me to just switch the existing
direct-debit
agreement from my old Barlays Cashcard account to my new Barclays Current
account, but I had to fill out a new form all over again to set up the new
direct debit agreement on my new account.

I accept that it was my fault with forgetting to transfer the direct-debit
to the
new account (It was some comunication-problem at work, with me informing
work that I had got a new bank-account, but with work not giving me any
feedback on that they had changed my account information in the payment
system).

But because of the later problem with the direct debits now in June, I
thought
I could ask a couple of questions regarding this as well, while I'm at it,
so to
speak.

18: How come that the gym canceled my direct-debit between 1/12 and 8/12,
and sent me a letter on 8/12, where it said that I had to go to the gym and
pay in cash, when I had never had any payment problems with the gym before
this, and all the other direct-debits were possible to switch (for the clerk
at
the bank to my new account), except the gyms direct-debit? Shouldn't the
gym have tryed to collect the payment from my account again 7-14 days
later, like the clerk in the bank told me that the other companies did?

19: Why did I have to write my signature on, and fill out a new form all
over
again on 13/12, for a new direct-debit. Didn't the gym have all my
information
from before, have one got to fill out and sign a new form just because one
gets a new account-number, when one are still using the same bank?

(The signature of the women I spoke with on the gym on 13/12/06, looks
like it says Probert as a last name by the way, in case that makes it
any easier to find out about this.

I remember I thought it was strange that I had to fill out the form all over
again, just because of the problem of the one payment due to the
problems with changing the direct-debits and my pay from work to
the new account, in a coordinated way.

Because it didn't seem to be a similiar problem with the other companies
that also had direct-debits on my account, so therefore I remember that
I thought that this was a bit strange.

And now, due to the other problems with the direct-debits again, now in
June, I thought I'd just ask about the earlier problems, since they came
to mind now.

also this:

How come I got a letter sent 8 days after the missed payment in December,
where as later, in January, February and March (with the new direct-debit
set
up on 13/12), I didn't get a letter at all.

It went on for two or three months, it must have been, before someone
reminded
me that there were arrears on my membership.

I was quite busy in this time-periode, even if I was unemployed, so I didn't

have so much money then, so I should maybe have spoken with the staff about
this myself, but I much problems with paying my rent etc., and I was glad to

have the oppertunity to work-out, since it was a bit stressing not having a
job, and it helped to work-out to relax from the stress.

And also, the staff gave different information to me regarding the arrears.
The
girl wearing office-wear, and who worked on 8/6, for instance, told me on
one occation that it wasn't a hurry paying the arrears at all. (As long as I

paid the running bills, which I did).

And other members of staff, Craig for instance, told me that I had to pay
the
arrears before a certain date, (I spoke with the manager and got an
extension,
and later I agreed with Craig that I would pay the arrears when I got first
the
loan I was promised from the bank, and later the switch-bonus I was promised

from the bank.)

So the questions regarding this:

20: How come in December I get a letter for not paying after 8 days, where
as
in the new year, it goes in the region of two or three months without
recieving
a letter or reminder from the staff, even if I worked out several times a
week?

21: How come one member of the staff (the girl with the office-wear who
worked
on 8/6), says that there is no hurry with the arrears, where as another
member
of staff (Craig), says that I have to pay before this and this date? How is
this
really supposed to be, according to the rules?

(I appriciate very much that I was allowed to work out at the gym even if I
had
arrears, so it's not because I am ungrateful that I ask about these things.
It's
just that due to the other problems, with the washing-women/girls in the
changing
room, and the problems with the continuing processing errors and duplicate
payments with the direct debits.

And also due to the problems surrounding the unanounced closure of the gym
for six weeks due to refurbishment.

Due to these problems, I thought it would be best to mention all the other
problems while I was at it. Even if some of these problems aren't maybe
that serious in themselves, I anyway thought that they were worth bringing
up, because, I think, thay add to a general picture of things at the gym
being a bit out of hand, so due to this I'm a bit concerned about whats
really going on at the gym, and then I thought it would be best to mentioned
all the things that came to mind, because these things, even if it isn't
clear
to me here and now that there for certain is a problem conected with them,
it could be a problem, so I thought it would be the most responsible thing
to do, to also add the latter part of the problems, the ones that are
mentioned
under the title 'other problems'.

So even if it was the first five or ten questions that made me go to the
step
of complaining. Even so, I hope you have the oppertunity to answer me about
the last part of the questions as well.

Sorry again that this e-mail got a bit delayed. I know I said I'd send it no
latter
than Wednesday, but I reckon that as long as I send it before the office
hours
on Thursday, then it hopefully should be ok.

I'll also forward this e-mail to Linda Lennon and Lesley Southern, since
I've been
copying the e-mails I've sent to them earlier, in this e-mail now.

Hope that this is alright, and that you bear over with me if some of the
last questions
wasn't as well stated as they should have been, due to time problems etc.

Hope that this is alright!

Yours sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog



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From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
To: st3york@lgo.org.uk st3 york
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:15:12 +0000
Subject: Re: Complaint against Liverpool City Council

Hi,

sorry about the address, it should be:

Flat 3
5 Leather Lane
Liverpool
L2 2AE

(Also just to let you know, g-mail thought that the e-mail you sent me was
spam. I sometimes check
the spam-mail, because this has happened before, that regular e-mail is
classified as spam by g-mail,
so I guess I should maybe get a new e-mail programme).

Please just contact me if there is any more information I should have sent!

Yours sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog




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From: Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk Kneale, Steve
To: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:41:21 +0000
Subject: RE: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.

Sir,
I am sorry but I am having difficulty understanding exactly what you are
asking for. Rather than exchange lengthy e-mails I would suggest
discussing over the telephone or meeting when you next use Lifestyles
would be most beneficial.
Regards

Steve Kneale
Sport & Recreation Service - Facility Operations
Business Development Manager

Office location:
1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park
Great Homer Street
Liverpool L5 5PH

Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362
Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300

Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles

Liverpool - European Capital of Culture 2008




________________________________

From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
Sent: 10 August 2007 19:56
To: Kneale, Steve
Subject: Re: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.


Hi,

thank you very much for your answer.

Like I was writing in the complaint to the ombudsman, I think that the
council should maybe
have answered the complaint in public, since I have brought this things
up in public myself,
since these are things that concern the other users of the gym, and the
people who are paying
tax to the council.

Also, it would have been very fine if it also was explained why I wasn't
recieving any answer
from the Duty Officer, and also why it is that it isn't him who is
answering the complaint.

Also, I was wondering if my complaint to the Duty Officer isn't being
regarded as an official
complaint?

Also I think that all the points in the complaint should have been
answered. Even if some of
the points are brought up in another e-mail, I'm explaining about this
in the complaint, and
making it clear that I think it would have been fine to hear what the
Duty Officer has to say
about this, aswell as hearing what Lesley Southern had to say about
this, since I haven't
really been explained what position in the Council he has, and also
since all the points
have been mentioned together when I've comented on the complaint in
public, so then
I think it would be most apropriate if all the points in the complaint
were answered
togheter aswell, even if some of the points also has been brought up in
another context.

Also I think it add to the general overviewabilty of the answer, if the
original indexing
from the complaint was kept.

I haven't comented on the indiviadual points from the answer here, I
think it would be
smartest to sort with the issues above first, and then deal with the
individual complaints
later, if you think this would be alright.

Hope that this is alright, and please tell me if there is anything else
I need to take into
concern, to get my answer in line with your complaint-procedure.

Yours sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog




On 8/10/07, Kneale, Steve wrote:

Sir,
Please find attached a response to the matters pertaining to
Lifestyles Fitness Centres and your recent complaint.

Regards

Steve Kneale
Sport & Recreation Service - Facility Operations
Business Development Manager

Office location:
1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park
Great Homer Street
Liverpool L5 5PH

Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362
Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300

Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles

Liverpool - European Capital of Culture 2008



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From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
To: Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk Kneale, Steve
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:56:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.

Hi,

thank you very much for your answer.

Like I was writing in the complaint to the ombudsman, I think that the
council should maybe
have answered the complaint in public, since I have brought this things up
in public myself,
since these are things that concern the other users of the gym, and the
people who are paying
tax to the council.

Also, it would have been very fine if it also was explained why I wasn't
recieving any answer
from the Duty Officer, and also why it is that it isn't him who is answering
the complaint.

Also, I was wondering if my complaint to the Duty Officer isn't being
regarded as an official
complaint?

Also I think that all the points in the complaint should have been answered.
Even if some of
the points are brought up in another e-mail, I'm explaining about this in
the complaint, and
making it clear that I think it would have been fine to hear what the Duty
Officer has to say
about this, aswell as hearing what Lesley Southern had to say about this,
since I haven't
really been explained what position in the Council he has, and also since
all the points
have been mentioned together when I've comented on the complaint in public,
so then
I think it would be most apropriate if all the points in the complaint were
answered
togheter aswell, even if some of the points also has been brought up in
another context.

Also I think it add to the general overviewabilty of the answer, if the
original indexing
from the complaint was kept.

I haven't comented on the indiviadual points from the answer here, I think
it would be
smartest to sort with the issues above first, and then deal with the
individual complaints
later, if you think this would be alright.

Hope that this is alright, and please tell me if there is anything else I
need to take into
concern, to get my answer in line with your complaint-procedure.

Yours sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog




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> Sir,
> Please find attached a response to the matters pertaining to Lifestyles
> Fitness Centres and your recent complaint.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Steve Kneale
> Sport & Recreation Service - Facility Operations
> Business Development Manager
>
> *Office location:*
> 1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park
> Great Homer Street
> Liverpool L5 5PH
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> Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362
> Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300
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