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Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>




Update/Fwd: Complaint about Mr. Tom Mooney/Fwd: Fwd: FW: To manger LSC Eve Clayton/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against











Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>



Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM




To:
Philip Richardson <pri@stephensons.co.uk>






Hi,

I called CLA now, on 0845 345 4345, and spoke with Tom.

He says that they haven't got anything to do with eligability for Legal aid, then I have to call LSC on 0800 085 6643.


So now I'm trying to call them, and I'm going to send an update later.

Yours sincererly,

Erik Ribsskog


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Philip Richardson <pri@stephensons.co.uk> wrote:




Dear Mr Ribsskog,



For the avoidance of doubt, we are not declining you assistance.


To reiterate, I confirm that there is two stage process which much be completed before you can receive the benefit of legal aid.


Initially, you must be financially eligible for legal aid. Secondly, your claim must have sufficient prospects of success to justify pursuing it further.


In relation to your financial eligibility it is necessary for you to contact Community Legal Advice (CLA) and they will ask you a series of questions to determine your eligibility.
The number for CLA is the same number that has been previously provided, 0845 345 4345.


If the CLA confirm that you are financially eligible for legal aid then you will be provided with a reference number and referred to a law firm to assess the merits
of your claim. I must stress that I am not refusing to provide you with assistance, I am merely attempting to clarify that I cannot commence investigations until you receive a reference number and I
trust you will now contact CLA accordingly.


I therefore suggest you contact Community Legal Advice as directed on several occasions.


Kind regards












Philip Richardson

Solicitor


Employment Department

For and on behalf of Stephensons Solicitors LLP

Wigan Investment Centre, Waterside Drive, Wigan WN3 5BA

Direct Dial: 01942 774192

Direct Fax: 01942 774525















From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]


Sent: 15 December 2009 11:12

To: Philip Richardson

Subject: Update/Fwd: Complaint about Mr. Tom Mooney/Fwd: Fwd: FW: To manger LSC Eve Clayton/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against





Hi again,



I just remembered something more, sorry that I send two e-mails after eachother.




Is it that you don't want to help me, since I'm not a Brit, and don't know the legal-aid system by heart?




Then I can tell you, that Norway, where I'm from, are in the EEA.



And the UK has signed the EEA-agreement, and this means that I have the same rights, as if I was an EU or UK citizen, when I live in the UK.



I want you to please clearify why your company don't want to help me with my case.



Yours sincerely,



Erik Ribsskog





---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: Complaint about Mr. Tom Mooney/Fwd: Fwd: FW: To manger LSC Eve Clayton/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against

To: Philip Richardson <pri@stephensons.co.uk>





Hi,



that's not how I understand it.



The LSC said that Mr. Mooney, gave me the wrong directions.



And I don't like that your company don't want to help me, since it takes long time to get the reference-number, (due to some problems with the correspondence or errors from your company)




But I'll contact Ms. Beach then, and take it from there.




But please don't be to surprised if I send a complaint to the ones responsible for the legal aid solicitors database, about you company.



Best regards,



Erik Ribsskog










On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Philip Richardson <pri@stephensons.co.uk> wrote:






Dear Mr. Ribsskog,


I have read the chain of e-mails and am satisfied that aside from any misunderstanding, Tom has acted appropriately at all times in his guidance.


It is necessary for you to speak directly to Community Legal Advice on the number provided below by Ms. Beach who will assist you with your enquiry.


Regards










Philip Richardson


Solicitor


Employment Department

For and on behalf of Stephensons Solicitors LLP

Wigan Investment Centre, Waterside Drive, Wigan WN3 5BA


Direct Dial: 01942 774192

Direct Fax: 01942 774525





From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]



Sent: 11 December 2009 14:48

To: Philip Richardson

Subject: Complaint about Mr. Tom Mooney/Fwd: Fwd: FW: To manger LSC Eve Clayton/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against








Hi,



I called Stephensons now, on 02942 777 777, and was told that you are the line-manager of Mr. Tom Mooney.




the LSC says that Mr. Tom Mooney, made an error.



And due to this error, a misunderstanding occured.




And now, Mr. Mooney doesn't want to correspond with me any longer, (due to the misunderstanding caused by the error).




I was wondering if there are any other solicitor, that could help me with my Legal Aid-case please?



Thanks in advance for any help!




Yours sincerely,



Erik Ribsskog






---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: To manger LSC Eve Clayton/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against

To: Chester E-Mail <chester@legalservices.gov.uk>





Hi,



now the solicitor doesn't want to correspond with me any longer, since his error, caused a misunderstanding.




I want to complain about three law firms, who hasn't acted professionally, after I've contacted them, asking them to represent me, in a legal aid-case.




Who is responsible for administrating the solicitors-database, for the legal aid-programme.



Is it you at the LSC or is it Community Legal Advice?




Yours sincerely,



Erik Ribsskog








On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Chester E-Mail
<chester@legalservices.gov.uk>
wrote:


Dear Mr Ribsskog,



You are correct the Legal Services Commission does administer legal aid

in England and Wales. We are made up of the Community Legal Service for

civil cases such as employment and the Criminal Defence Service. We fund

legal services on behalf of the government.



Community Legal Advice is funded by the LSC in order to provide an

initial free and confidential advice service. There are general and

specialist advisors who will determine the level of help you need and if

necessary sign post you to an appropriate supplier of legal services in

your area, such as Stephensons.



From the emails below and as my colleague said earlier, we believe the

solicitor you were communicating with made an error in directing you to

us, the administrative body the LSC instead of the advice service.



It appears that Mr Thompson may have misunderstood your query as we do

not usually receive referrals at this stage of a case. The LSC does deal

with individual cases if they progress to a certain level where you may

need to go to court. We are responsible for administering the use of

public funds to fund a case. This would be communicated to us by a

solicitor once you get to that stage.



We apologise for the confusion. We do have a service than can help you

and you can call them on 0845 345 4 345 or you can find out more by

visiting the website
http://www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk/
. There is a

useful call back and text service available as well, ( see the website

for details.)



We cannot help you any further at this stage please direct your queries

to Community Legal Advice. There is also a function on the website to

find alternative solicitors in your area.



Yours Faithfully



Teekai Beach

Caseworker Area 12









Need help with your legal problems?

Community Legal Advice is a free government funded confidential

service.

Visit www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk to find out more or ring 0845 345

4 345



Legal Aid is 60! Read more at
www.legalaid60.org.uk




>>> Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> 11/12/2009 13:36 >>>

Hi,



sorry that I'm sending many e-mails.



But it says on Wikipedia, that:



*Today, legal aid in England and Wales is administered by the **Legal

Services Commission

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_Services_Commission>

*

*

*

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aid*



* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aid>So, please stop saying that

it is

Community Legal Advice, who has the Legal Aid-programme.*

*

It says clearly on Wikipedia, that it is the LSC who has this

programme, and

I've listened to Mr. Thompson at Liverpool LSC.*

*

Please stop covering up for Stephensons like you were 'mob'!*

*

Yours sincerely,*

*

Erik Ribsskog*

*

*



---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Subject: Re: FW: To manger LSC Eve Clayton/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: FW:

Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against B

To: Chester E-Mail <chester@legalservices.gov.uk>





Hi,



that is.



Who has the legal aid-program, is it the LSC or Community Legal

Advice?



Why am I corresponding with the LSC at all, if it is the Community

Legal

Advice, who has the Legal Aid-programme?



Yours sincerely,



Erik Ribsskog





On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

wrote:



> Hi,

>

> I think is just dumb!

>

> I'm not very much enlightened by this.

>

> I'll just contact another law-firm, and see if they can help me with

the

> case.

>

> Thank you for your e-mail and sorry that I lost my temper a bit.

>

> Your sincerely,

>

> Erik Ribsskog

>

>

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Chester E-Mail <

> chester@legalservices.gov.uk> wrote:

>

>> Mr Ribsskog

>>

>> There has been some confusion caused by Stephensons referring to

>> Community Legal Advice as the LSC - this is a separate body to the

LSC,

>> and they provide the reference that Mr Mooney was referring to.

They

>> need to be contacted on 0845 345 4345.

>>

>> What Stephensons told you therefore was correct - the problem was

that

>> they said that it was the LSC you should contact on 0845 345 4345,

when

>> actually it it Community Legal Advice that are contacted.

>>

>> Gareth Partington

>>

>> Need help with your legal problems?

>> Community Legal Advice is a free government funded confidential

>> service.

>> Visit www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk to find out more or ring 0845

345

>> 4 345

>>

>> Legal Aid is 60! Read more at
www.legalaid60.org.uk


>>

>> >>> Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> 11/12/2009 11:36 >>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I'm not a client of this law firm, so the Law Society are just going

to

>> free

>> them anyway.

>>

>> I know this, since I've complained about similar problems, with

>> Morecrofts

>> and EAD, earlier.

>>

>> I wanted to complain to the LSC, since you have the database, where

>> Stephensons are listed.

>>

>> I want you to remove Stephensons from your database, since they

don't

>> follow

>> the legal aid-procedures.

>>

>> So this is a legal aid programme/LSC-complaint on Stephensons.

>>

>> Yours sincerely,

>>

>> Erik Ribsskog

>>

>>

>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Chester E-Mail <

>> chester@legalservices.gov.uk> wrote:

>>

>> > Dear Mr Ribsskog

>> >

>> > Thank you for your email, I am sorry that your solicitors are

unable

>> to

>> > assist you further, but unfortunately the Legal Services

Commission

>> do

>> > not have to power to investigate complaints about law firms.

>> >

>> > If you wish to make a complaint about a law firm you should

contact

>> the

>> > Legal Complaints Service on 0845 608 6565. Further details are

on

>> their

>> > website
http://www.legalcomplaints.org.uk/home.page
.

>> >

>> > I hope this is of assistance.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> >

>> > Emma Collings

>> > Legal/Means Team

>> > Chester Office

>> >

>> > Need help with your legal problems?

>> > Community Legal Advice is a free government funded confidential

>> > service.

>> > Visit www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk to find out more or ring

0845

>> 345

>> > 4 345

>> >

>> > Legal Aid is 60! Read more at
www.legalaid60.org.uk


>> >

>> > >>> Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> 11/12/2009 11:04 >>>

>> > Hi,

>> >

>> > thank you for your e-mails!

>> >

>> > The problem is, that the law firm, (in Wigan), didn't want to

submit

>> > an

>> > application for legal aid, for my case.

>> >

>> > But they said I had to contact the LSC, to do this.

>> >

>> > But Mr. Thompson at Liverpool LSC, said like you says, that the

law

>> > firm has

>> > to get the reference number.

>> >

>> > I told the law firm this, (Stephensons), and then he told me that

>> I'd

>> > used

>> > to long time, to get the reference-number, (even if this was his

>> job).

>> >

>> > And then they used this as an excuse, to not have anything more

to

>> do

>> > with

>> > me.

>> >

>> > I think this was inpolite and very unprofessional, and I think

that

>> > law-firms like this, shouldn't be listed in your directory.

>> >

>> > So I wondered how I could complain about the conduct of this law

>> firm,

>> > and

>> > how to get them deleted with you, if possible, to protect other

>> people

>> > of

>> > the public, from being harassed and bullied by 'mob', or what

they

>> > are,

>> > working as trainee solicitors in law-firms.

>> >

>> > Thanks in advance for any help!

>> >

>> > Yours sincerely,

>> >

>> > Erik Ribsskog

>> >

>> >

>> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Chester E-Mail <

>> > chester@legalservices.gov.uk> wrote:

>> >

>> > > Dear Mr Ribsskog

>> > >

>> > > Further to my previous email, please note that if an

application

>> for

>> > > legal aid is submitted from a firm in the Liverpool area, then

it

>> > will

>> > > be processed at the Chester Office.

>> > >

>> > > We can be contacted at the email address above, by post at

Chester

>> > > Office, 2nd Floor Pepper House, Pepper Row, Chester CH1 1DW,

and

>> by

>> > > phone on 0845 602 1400.

>> > >

>> > > Kind regards

>> > >

>> > > Emma Collings

>> > > Legal/Means Team

>> > > Chester Office

>> > >

>> > > Need help with your legal problems?

>> > > Community Legal Advice is a free government funded confidential

>> > > service.

>> > > Visit www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk to find out more or ring

>> 0845

>> > 345

>> > > 4 345

>> > >

>> > > Legal Aid is 60! Read more at
www.legalaid60.org.uk


>> > >

>> > > >>> Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> 10/12/2009 13:35 >>>

>> > > Hi,

>> > >

>> > > thank you for your e-mail.

>> > >

>> > > I hear what you are saying.

>> > >

>> > > I think I should follow the LSC procedure, like I've explained.

>> > >

>> > > Since I'm not a client, officially, with your law-firm yet, as

>> I've

>> > > understood it.

>> > >

>> > > But the legal aid programme is with the LSC.

>> > >

>> > > So I think I should first and foremost follow the LSC

procedures,

>> > and

>> > > escalate there, untill I'm officially a client of a law firm.

>> > >

>> > > So it's now with LSC, so I hope I hear back from them, sooner

>> rather

>> > > than

>> > > later, like explained, and I'll update you as soon as possible.

>> > >

>> > > I think I should keep it with LSC Liverpool, since I started

>> > bringing

>> > > it up

>> > > there, since I live in Liverpool, so I thought that was the

right

>> > > department

>> > > of LSC.

>> > >

>> > > So that's why I escalated there.

>> > >

>> > > So I'll update you as soon as I hear anything more.

>> > >

>> > > I'm sending a copy of this e-mail to Liverpool LSC, so that

they

>> get

>> > > your

>> > > message, that this is to do with deadlines.

>> > >

>> > > Yours sincerely,

>> > >

>> > > Erik Ribsskog

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Tom Mooney

>> <tmo@stephensons.co.uk>

>> > > wrote:

>> > >

>> > > > **

>> > > > Erik,

>> > > >

>> > > > I thank you for your email.

>> > > >

>> > > > I must stress that it is essential that you obtain the

reference

>> > as

>> > > soon as

>> > > > possible as there is a strict deadline to start your claim at

a

>> > > tribunal.

>> > > >

>> > > > I am unaware of the nature of your potential claim and I

cannot

>> > > advise on

>> > > > any deadline from the information I have in my possession.

>> However,

>> > I

>> > > would

>> > > > strongly recommend contacting the LSC, on 0845 345 4345, who

can

>> > > provide you

>> > > > with a reference number immediately.

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > *Tom Mooney*

>> > > > *Trainee Solicitor*

>> > > > **

>> > > > Employment Department

>> > > > *For and on behalf of Stephensons Solicitors LLP*

>> > > > Wigan Investment Centre, Waterside Drive, Wigan WN3 5BA

>> > > > Direct Dial: 01942 77*4170*

>> > > > Direct Fax: 01942 774525

>> > > > Email: tmo@stephensons.co.uk

>> > > > Web: www.stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >

>> > > > ------------------------------

>> > > > *From:* Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

>> > > > *Sent:* 10 December 2009 12:54

>> > > > *To:* liverpool@legalservices.gov.uk

>> > > > *Cc:* Tom Mooney

>> > > > *Subject:* To manger LSC Eve Clayton/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd:

FW:

>> > > > Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against Bertelsmann Arvato

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi,

>> > > >

>> > > > I called Maureen today, at Liverpool LSC, and got the name

of

>> the

>> > > LSC

>> > > > manager.

>> > > >

>> > > > I'm getting different directions, you see, from you

>> > representative

>> > > Stuart

>> > > > Thompson, and the law firm.

>> > > >

>> > > > So I was just wondering if you could tell me one thing.

>> > > >

>> > > > I've checked that I'm eligable for legal aid, on your

>> calculator,

>> > and

>> > > I

>> > > > was, since I'm unemployed.

>> > > >

>> > > > And now, I need a reference-number, for legal-aid.

>> > > >

>> > > > And Mr. Thompson, in LSC, says that the law-firm should get

this

>> > > number.

>> > > >

>> > > > And the law firm says I should get this number by contacting

the

>> > > LSC.

>> > > >

>> > > > So we aren't getting anywhere.

>> > > >

>> > > > So I hope you can clear this a bit up, what the procedure is,

>> > > regarding for

>> > > > me to obtain a reference number, for legal aid, from where

the

>> > case

>> > > is now,

>> > > > it's at where I've checked that I'm eligable for legal aid,

on

>> the

>> > > > calculator on your website.

>> > > >

>> > > > I'm also sending a copy of this e-mail to the solicitors

firm.

>> > > >

>> > > > Hope this is alright!

>> > > >

>> > > > Yours sincerely,

>> > > >

>> > > > Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>> > > > From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

>> > > > Date: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM

>> > > > Subject: Re: FW: Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd:

Employment-case

>> > > against

>> > > > Bertelsmann Arvato

>> > > > To: Tom Mooney <tmo@stephensons.co.uk>

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi,

>> > > >

>> > > > thank you very much for your e-mail!

>> > > >

>> > > > What I thought I'll do, is that I'll try to contact Stuarts

>> > manager,

>> > > and

>> > > > then I'll get back to you, sooner rather than lather, I hope.

>> > > >

>> > > > Hope this is alright!

>> > > >

>> > > > Yours sincerely,

>> > > >

>> > > > Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Tom Mooney

>> > <tmo@stephensons.co.uk>

>> > > wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >> **

>> > > >> Erik,

>> > > >>

>> > > >> I refer to my previous email.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> It is not possible to commence any investigations into the

>> merits

>> > of

>> > > your

>> > > >> claim until you have received a reference number from the

LSC.

>> It

>> > > is

>> > > >> essential that you contact the LSC, on 0845 345 4345, so

they

>> can

>> > > verbally

>> > > >> confirm your eligibility and provide you with a reference

>> number.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> I look forward to hearing from you.

>> > > >>

>> > > >>

>> > > >> *Tom Mooney*

>> > > >> *Trainee Solicitor*

>> > > >> **

>> > > >> Employment Department

>> > > >> *For and on behalf of Stephensons Solicitors LLP*

>> > > >> Wigan Investment Centre, Waterside Drive, Wigan WN3 5BA

>> > > >> Direct Dial: 01942 77*4170*

>> > > >> Direct Fax: 01942 774525

>> > > >> Email: tmo@stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >> Web: www.stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >>

>> > > >> ------------------------------

>> > > >> *From:* Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

>> > > >> *Sent:* 07 December 2009 15:08

>> > > >> *To:* Tom Mooney

>> > > >> *Subject:* Re: Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd:

Employment-case

>> > > against

>> > > >> Bertelsmann Arvato

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Hi,

>> > > >>

>> > > >> I called LSC Liverpool now, on 0151 242 5200, and spoke

with

>> > > Stuart.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> He told me that you should just send it to the LSC, that

this

>> was

>> > > the

>> > > >> usual procedure, in cases like this, since you are a

registered

>> > > Legal

>> > > >> Aid-programme solicitor-firm.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> So it should just be for you to send an application to the

>> LSC,

>> > as

>> > > I

>> > > >> understood from Stuart there, today, since I've already

checked

>> > that

>> > > I'm

>> > > >> eligable for legal aid, using the calculator on their

website.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Hope this is alright!

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Yours sincerely,

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >>

>> > > >>

>> > > >> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tom Mooney

>> > > <tmo@stephensons.co.uk>wrote:

>> > > >>

>> > > >>> **

>> > > >>> Erik,

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> I appreciate that you have assessed your financial merits

>> online

>> > > and have

>> > > >>> been informed that your are eligible for legal aid.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Please note that it is essential that you also contact the

>> Legal

>> > > Services

>> > > >>> Commission (LSC), on 0845 345 4345, so they can verbally

>> confirm

>> > > your

>> > > >>> eligibility and provide you with a reference number.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Once you have this reference number a member of our team

will

>> > then

>> > > be

>> > > >>> able to provide you with advice.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Kind regards

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> *Tom Mooney*

>> > > >>> *Trainee Solicitor*

>> > > >>> **

>> > > >>> Employment Department

>> > > >>> *For and on behalf of Stephensons Solicitors LLP*

>> > > >>> Wigan Investment Centre, Waterside Drive, Wigan WN3 5BA

>> > > >>> Direct Dial: 01942 77*4170*

>> > > >>> Direct Fax: 01942 774525

>> > > >>> Email: tmo@stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >>> Web: www.stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> ------------------------------

>> > > >>> *From:* Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

>> > > >>> *Sent:* 27 November 2009 13:12

>> > > >>> *To:* Tom Mooney

>> > > >>> *Subject:* Reminder/Fwd: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case

>> > against

>> > > >>> Bertelsmann Arvato

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Hi,

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> I can't see that I've received an answer to this e-mail

yet,

>> so

>> > > I'm

>> > > >>> sending a reminder about this.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Hope this is alright!

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Yours sincerely,

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>> > > >>> From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

>> > > >>> Date: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:42 PM

>> > > >>> Subject: Re: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against

>> > Bertelsmann

>> > > Arvato

>> > > >>> To: Tom Mooney <tmo@stephensons.co.uk>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Hi,

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> thanks very much for the phone-number!

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> I called LSC now, and they explained me how to log on, to

>> their

>> > > >>> website, and answering some questions, that would

determine,

>> if

>> > I

>> > > was

>> > > >>> eligible for legal aid, or not.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> And here's what the website said:

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> *As you or your partner are receiving one of the

following:*

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> - *Income Support*

>> > > >>> - *Income Based Job Seeker's Allowance*

>> > > >>> - *Income-based Employment and Support Allowance*

>> > > >>> - *Guarantee Credit*

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> *you are automatically financially eligible for the

following

>> > > levels of

>> > > >>> service:*

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> *Legal Help

>> > > >>> Help at Court

>> > > >>> Immigration cases: Legal Representation before the

Immigration

>> > and

>> > > Asylum

>> > > >>> Tribunal; and the High Court

>> > > >>> Asylum cases: Legal Representation before the Immigration

and

>> > > Asylum

>> > > >>> Tribunal; and the High Court

>> > > >>> Family Mediation

>> > > >>> Help with Mediation

>> > > >>> Other Legal Representation

>> > > >>> General Family Help*

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> *

>> > > >>> *

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> So it shouldn't be a problem with the legal aid!

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> That's good news!

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> I also have a website, where I've published about the

>> > > empoyment-case.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> It's on this link:

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

http://www.scribd.com/groups/view/14830-arvato-services-ltd-s-microsoft-scandinavian-product-activation



>>

>> >

>> > >

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> And in this link, I explain about some of the problems that

>> were

>> > > going

>> > > >>> on, but there where also a lot more problems, that I was

>> > > constructivly

>> > > >>> dismissed as well, and more:

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/4661735/7

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> I post the links, since it was so much problems there, so

it

>> > isn't

>> > > easy

>> > > >>> for me, to summarise it, since there were so many problems

>> going

>> > on

>> > > there,

>> > > >>> in the one year and three months I worked there.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Hope it's alright that I just refer to the website, but if

>> it's

>> > > anything

>> > > >>> I should answer, then please just tell me, and I'll explain

it

>> > > properly!

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Thanks again for you help so far!

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Yours sincerely,

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Tom Mooney

>> > > <tmo@stephensons.co.uk>wrote:

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>> **

>> > > >>>> <http://www.businessnorthwest.co.uk/>

>> > > >>>> <http://www.businessnorthwest.co.uk/>

>> > > >>>> ------------------------------

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Erik,

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> My apologies, the LSC's telephone contact is 0845 345

4345.

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Kind regards

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> *Tom Mooney*

>> > > >>>> *Trainee Solicitor*

>> > > >>>> **

>> > > >>>> Employment Department

>> > > >>>> *For and on behalf of Stephensons Solicitors LLP*

>> > > >>>> Wigan Investment Centre, Waterside Drive, Wigan WN3 5BA

>> > > >>>> Direct Dial: 01942 77*4170*

>> > > >>>> Direct Fax: 01942 774525

>> > > >>>> Email: tmo@stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >>>> Web: www.stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> ------------------------------

>> > > >>>> *From:* Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

>> > > >>>> *Sent:* 23 October 2009 14:19

>> > > >>>> *To:* Tom Mooney

>> > > >>>> *Subject:* Re: FW: Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against

>> > > Bertelsmann

>> > > >>>> Arvato

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Hi,

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> thank you very much for your e-mail!

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> I was just wondering, shouldn't it be one more number in

the

>> > > >>>> phone-number you gave, to call to check if I'm eligible

for

>> > > receiving legal

>> > > >>>> aid?

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Is this number to the LSC?

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> I think I'm eligible because I'm unemployed at the moment,

>> due

>> > to

>> > > the

>> > > >>>> finance-crises, etc., unfourtuntly, even if I have a lot

to

>> do,

>> > > with working

>> > > >>>> on the employment-case and writing a blog etc.

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Thanks again for your e-mail!

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Best regards,

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tom Mooney

>> > > <tmo@stephensons.co.uk>wrote:

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>>> **

>> > > >>>>> <http://www.businessnorthwest.co.uk/>

>> > > >>>>> <http://www.businessnorthwest.co.uk/>

>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Eric,

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> To qualify for legal aid you must be financially eligible

>> and

>> > > your

>> > > >>>>> claim must also have sufficient prospects of success.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> In relation to the first requirement I would invite you

to

>> > call

>> > > 0845

>> > > >>>>> 345 434 to enable an advisor to ask you several questions

to

>> > > determine

>> > > >>>>> whether you are financially eligible to receive legal

aid.

>> If

>> > you

>> > > are

>> > > >>>>> eligible, you will receive a reference number and you

claim

>> > can

>> > > then be

>> > > >>>>> assessed.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Kind regards

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> *Tom Mooney*

>> > > >>>>> *Trainee Solicitor*

>> > > >>>>> **

>> > > >>>>> Employment Department

>> > > >>>>> *For and on behalf of Stephensons Solicitors LLP*

>> > > >>>>> Wigan Investment Centre, Waterside Drive, Wigan WN3 5BA

>> > > >>>>> Direct Dial: 01942 77*4170*

>> > > >>>>> Direct Fax: 01942 774525

>> > > >>>>> Email: tmo@stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >>>>> Web: www.stephensons.co.uk

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------

>> > > >>>>> *From:*
eribsskog@gmail.com


>> > > [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

>> > > >>>>> *Sent:* 09 October 2009 06:19

>> > > >>>>> *To:* Enquiries

>> > > >>>>> *Subject:* Reminder/Fwd: Employment-case against

Bertelsmann

>> > > Arvato

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Hi,

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> I can't see that I've received an answer to this e-mail,

so

>> > I'm

>> > > sending

>> > > >>>>> a reminder about this.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Yours sincerely,

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>> > > >>>>> From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

>> > > >>>>> Date: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 3:47 AM

>> > > >>>>> Subject: Employment-case against Bertelsmann Arvato

>> > > >>>>> To: enquiries@stephensons.co..uk

>> <enquiries@stephensons.co.uk>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Hi,

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> I've been trying regularly, since 2006, to find some

advice,

>> > > within the

>> > > >>>>> legal aid-programme, regarding an employment-case I have,

>> > > against

>> > > >>>>> Bertelsmann Arvato.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> There were problems with constructed dismissal, a lot of

>> > > bullying and

>> > > >>>>> harassment from managers, illegal management-methods,

etc.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> I've published about the employment-case, on this url:

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

http://www.scribd.com/groups/view/14830-arvato-services-ltd-s-microsoft-scandinavian-product-activation



>>

>> >

>> > >

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Hope you can help with giving advice regarding this

case!

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Yours sincerely,

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Erik Ribsskog

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Debt Recovery Special

>> > > Offer...<

>> > >

>> >

>>

>>

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Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM




To:
04800@dnbnor.no






Hei,

jeg søkte om NITO-kortet, siden jeg har blitt medlem i NITO.

Men jeg fikk ikke kortet, enda jeg oppga medlemsnummeret mitt i NITO.

Jeg lurte på hva dette kom av.


Jeg vet jeg hadde problem med Lånekassa, da jeg studerte i Sunderland, i 2004, og studielånet mitt var fire måneder forsinket.

Da mistet jeg kontroll på lån hos dere, i Norge, og studier.


Men nå har jeg fått meg en Høgskolekandidatgrad, ihvertfall.

(Siden jeg egentlig hadde dette, fra studier hos HiO og NHI, fra før jeg dro til Sunderland, jeg måtte bare få godkjent noen fag fra NHI, (fra begynnelsen av 90-tallet), hos HiO).


Så trenger jeg litt penger for å rydde opp i livet mitt.

Jeg har en del ting i Oslo, som jeg tenkte jeg skulle henta til England, og noen HV-ting, som jeg skulle gitt til Heimevernet.


Så jeg synes ikke det er riktig at dere skal tulle med meg nå, fordi jeg ble tullet med av Lånekassa og HiO, i 2004.

Jeg synes dere burde gi folk en sjangs til å få livet sitt tilbake på rett kjøl.


Nå har jeg en grad i data, og jeg har mange års ledererfaring, som butikksjef i Rimi.

Så jeg kunne nok ha fått minst en halv million i årslønn, når jeg får orden på ting.

Så at jeg har rundt i 100.000 i gjeld til dere, det er ikke liv og død om å gjøre da, når jeg har en så god utdannelse samt erfaring fra ledelse og organisasjon fra en stor bedrift som Hakon-gruppen/ICA.


Så det her vil jeg gjerne klage på, for det syntes jeg var dårlig kundebehandling.

Jeg ble tulla med av flere enn Lånekassa, så onkelen min i Larvik, han ble urolig, så jeg gikk med å gå til lege og psykolog osv., i 2005, og da fikk de en sosionom til å sende dere brev om gjelden min, (noe søstra mi egentlig skulle ha gjort, men ikke gjorde), siden jeg jobba med skogsarbeid på Løvås gård, hvor onkelen min bodde, men de plasserte meg til å bo i et sånt dårlig isolert skjul, så det var ikke så egna for kontorarbeid, og søstra mi ville så gjerne hjelpe meg med det, så jeg sa det var greit, for jeg hadde at jeg var forfulgt av noe 'mafian', derfor tenkte jeg mest på å komme meg til utlandet igjen.


Til Canada eller Australia, f.eks., jeg var egentlig bare hjemme i Norge, i 2005, for å si fra til familien min, om hva som foregikk, sånn at de skulle vite om det, for sikkerhets skyld.


Men jeg ble forsøkt drept, på 35 årsdagen min, 25. juli 2005, på Løvås gård.

Og da hadde jeg bare restene av studielånet fra Sunderland.

Så da kom jeg meg bare til England igjen.

Denne gangen til Liverpool, hvor jeg er enda, og ikke til Sunderland.


Det var fordi jeg havna på et fly til Liverpool fra Amsterdam, for jeg flykta med buss til Kristiansand, og tok ferja til Hirtshals, og leide en bil der, (som dere kanskje så på min kontoutskrift), og havna tilslutt på Schipol flyplass, hvor jeg fant et fly til Liverpool, med EasyJet vel, i slutten av juli 2005.


Og her er jeg enda.

Men alle tingene mine ligger i Norge, i en lagerbod i Oslo, og i en koffert, på Løvås gård, i Larvik.

Og hvis jeg hadde hatt alle de tinga, så hadde jeg sikkert fått kontroll.


Men jeg må ha noen penger for å hente de tinga, for å leie en leiebil og kjøre og hente de tinga, og gi Heimevernet sine ting.

Så derfor ble jeg litt skuffa, når jeg så avslaget deres.


For jeg hadde regna med at jeg skulle få NITO-kort, siden jeg nettopp har blitt medlem i NITO.

Jeg tok det nesten som en selvfølge.

Så nå ble jeg litt skuffa her, siden jeg ikke får tingene mine, (blant annet viktige papirer, og ting fra 1700-tallet, som jeg har arvet, gaver fra danskekongen osv.), som jeg hadde nesten sett på som sikkert nå.


Med hilsen

Erik Ribsskog







Norsk Slektshistorisk Forening er visst fulle av dritt




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Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM




To:
Carsten Berg Høgenhoff <siec@online.no>






Hei,

som privatperson?

Det har ikke jeg skjønt det som.

Jeg vet ikke hvem du er, og jeg har kontaktet dere på e-post adressen som står på websiden deres.

Dette høres ut som noe pisspreik-plott dere har funnet på for å få bloggen min slettet.


Det var merkelig at du begynte å prate om dette pisset, nå som jeg forklarte at du brukte lovene feil.

Norge er gjennomkorrupt!

Jeg har aldri hatt noe tillit til deg, så dette kan ikke være tillitsbrudd.


Mvh.

Erik Ribsskog


2009/12/15 Carsten Berg Høgenhoff <siec@online.no>

Hei,



Jeg er nettopp blitt gjort oppmerksom på at korrespondansen oss imellom blir publisert på en blogg du har.



Jeg ber deg vennligst øyeblikkelig om å fjerne /all tekst/ jeg har sendt deg i løpet av dagen. Jeg har svart deg som privatperson, noe jeg gjorde oppmerksom på allerede i mitt første brev, og alt jeg har skrevet har vært ment som personlig og godt ment korrespondanse oss imellom - fordi du ba om råd. Korrespondansen hører ikke hjemme i det offentlige rom.



Jeg tror du forstår at dette er er tillitsbrudd.




Med vennlig hilsen



Carsten Berg Høgenhoff









Nå fikk jeg avslag på NITO Kortet, fra DNB, enda jeg har blitt medlem i NITO, og prøver å rydde opp i livet mitt. Det var dårlig

img182

PS.

Her er mer om NITO Kortet:

img183

Jeg sendte en ny e-post til Tingretten i Larvik




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Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM




To:
larvik.tingrett@domstol.no






Ok,

det var en slurvefeil det med malerigaven ja.

Men hvor lenge må jeg vente til jeg får min del av arven da, mine medarvinger fikk jo arven for mer enn tre måneder siden.

(Og de har ikke kontaktet meg, i det hele tatt, før jeg kontaktet Tingretten, så de prøvde å lure meg for min del av arven vil jeg si.


For de opplyste ikke meg om at de hadde fått boet, det gikk mer enn tre måneder, og til etter jeg kontaktet Tingretten, før jeg hørte fra de på e-post).

Nå er ikke jeg på talefot med mine medarvinger, hvordan kan jeg få arven min da?


Gården Løvås, det er en annen sak, det er jeg enig i, jeg bare kom på at jeg kunne ta opp det at jeg hadde hevd på bruksretten til den gården, som en annen sak, med Tingretten.

Jeg er altså i den situasjonen at jeg ikke er på talefot med mine medarvinger, som jeg mener har venta for lenge, med å kontakte meg, uansett, om arv.


Hvordan burde jeg gå fram for å få min rettmessige del av arven, (som nok er tullet med nå).

Jeg er arbeidsledig i England, så jeg har ikke råd til offentlig skifte, osv.


Mvh.

Erik Ribsskog







Jeg fikk et nytt brev fra Larvik Tingrett

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Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM




To:
Carsten Berg Høgenhoff <siec@online.no>






Hei,

ja takk for informasjonen!

Nå var jo Adeler-slekten adelige før de dro til Danmark.

Adeler-slekten er jo en norsk slekt, opprinnelig.

Men de var jo i Danmark, i 1821.


Og nå er de tilbake i Norge.

Så jeg vet ikke helt om vi kan bruke den loven du refererer til der, dessverre.

Jeg tror jeg må bare si at jeg er baron Adeler, norsk baron Adeler, siden Adeler adelsslekten var i Danmark i 1821, og ikke er en ny adelsslekt.


Mvh.

Erik Ribsskog


2009/12/15 Carsten Berg Høgenhoff <siec@online.no>


Hei,



Når man snakker om norsk adel, er det entydig knyttet til historien.
Treschow er ikke lenger en adelsslekt, selv om de i sin tid var
det. Slektens overhode i dag, Mille Marie Treschow, har ingen titler og
ingen privilegier, hun er ikke adelig og hun har aldri vært det. For
ikke å lage en semantisk diskusjonen om hva "er en adelsslekt"
innebærer, gjør jeg dette tydelige skillet på hva de var og hva
de er. Man ta hensyn til det historiske aspektet når
man likevel i presens gjerne sier at f.eks. "Treschow er en norsk
adelsslekt". De er altså likevel ikke det, ikke idag, tross
presens i språkbruken.



Den eventuelt danske (oftest) tilknytning norske adelsslekter hadde,
ble ikke påvirket av norsk lov - de beholdt sitt danske adelskap om de
hadde det, men mistet det i Norge. Ditt spørsmål går jo nettopp på
dette: Den danske grenen er dødd ut, og du ønsker å føre tittelen
tilbake til Norge fordi du mener at du er arveberettiget til selve
tittelen. Jeg skal ikke gå inn på hvorvidt du ville vært rett mann til
barontittelen iht arverekken om du kunne arvet den her - men du kan
altså uansett ikke føre den tittelen tilbake til Norge.



Grunnlovens § 108. "Ingen Grevskaber,
Baronier, Stamhuse og Fideikommisser, maa for Eftertiden oprettes."



Det gjaldt nye hus.



Adelsloven av 1821 handler blant annet om overføring av privilegier
(makt) fra eksisterende gravskaper osv til sivile myndigheter (dvs
amtmennene = fylkene) (se hele lovteksten i
http://hoelseth.com/acts/act18210801.html). Adelslovens § 6
handler om nålevende (altså i 1821) personers rett til å bære titler
til sin død - de selv, og deres ektefødte, arveberittigede barn etter
visse kriterier. Ikke lenger enn det. Loven slutter slik: "Efter de
Personers Død, som saaledes vedblive i Besiddelse af visse
adelige Rettigheder, ophører alt arveligt Adelskab her i Riget."



Det gjaldt alle de gamle husene. Dermed er både nye hus og arvelige
adelshus opphørt.



Du får se det positive i det. Som det er, slipper du i alle fall å ta
hensyn til om du synes Løvenkiold er fine nok for en forening du vil
være medlem av, all den til det ikke finnes noen norsk adelsforening.
Hverken for de fine eller de ikke fullt så fine. Jeg tror vel ikke
adelsforeningene tar slike hensyn, selv om det vel var slik i de
virkelig gode, gamle (franske adels)dager at det tok tre generasjoner
fra en adelsfamilie ble opprettet til den virkelig var akseptert inn i
det gode selskap. Jeg tror vel Løvenskioldene fint hadde kommet seg
gjennom det kravet.



Ellers hadde jo Groucho Marx en fin regel for hvilke foreninger han
ville og ikke ville være medlem av: "Do I want to join a group that
would have me as a member?" Jeg har brukt den regelen noen
ganger. Men Norsk Slektshistorisk Forening slapp (meg) nå gjennom
nåløyet allikvel... ;-)



Mvh



Carsten

















Erik Ribsskog skrev:
Hei,



du sier det ikke er adel i Norge, men det er noe som heter
'norske adelsslekter':








Så begrepet adel blir nok brukt om noen norske familier likevel,
vil jeg si, selv om adelen formelt er avskaffet.




Så det var derfor jeg tok opp dette.




Så adelen i Norge er vel kanskje ikke avskaffet, men
privilegiene til adelen er avskaffet.




Men det blir en annen diskusjon.




F.eks. Treschow, (fra Larviks-distriktet), skal visst være en
adelig familie som holder til i Norge da, ifølge Wikipedia.



Og også f.eks. Løvenskiold, selv om min mormor Ingeborg Ribsskog, sa på
telefon, ifjor, var det vel, at disse Løvenskiold ikke var så fine som
Gjedde, for Gjedde kom nordover mye tidligere.



(Ifølge min mormor som døde i sommer).



Så derfor er det ikke så fristende for meg, å være med i noe eventuell
norsk adelsforening, hvis Løvenskioldene skal være med, for de synes
jeg ikke er så fine da.




Så derfor har jeg prøvd å ta det her med dere da.



Men jeg får finne noen som er eksperter på det her med Gjedde og
Adeler-adel osv.




Eller at jeg prøver den heraldiske foreningen f.eks. som du
foreslo.



Tusen takk for hjelpen med å foreslå nettsteder og foreninger osv.!




Mvh.



Erik Ribsskog






2009/12/15 Carsten Berg Høgenhoff <siec@online.no>

Hei,



Joda, både Sverige og Danmark har adelen sin i behold, de - og sine
respektive adelsforeninger som tar seg av deres ve og vel. Når jeg
henviser til Wikipedia, er det bare for å gi deg mer å lese på - ikke
fordi jeg ikke vet. Adel er og forblir i en saga blott her til lands;
akkurat når det gjelder den saken trenger du nok ingen ekspertise ut
over min.



Heraldisk Selskap (Societas Heraldica Scandinavica) er en annen
forening som sysler dels med gamle adelsætter, men også med heraldikk i
sin alminnelighet; kommunevåpen, byvåpen osv. Redaktør av bladet deres,
Heraldisk Tidsskrift, er den danske Poul greve Holstein, og norsk
redaksjonsmedlem er Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud (hans epost er heraldikk@gmail.com). Heraldikken er jo ikke
strengt knyttet til adelen alene, men likevel en gren som nært knytter
opp til den delen av samfunnet.



Et annet tips, og spesielt når du sitter i England og ikke lett når
bibliotek og arkiver her, er å legge ut spørsmål på Digitalarkivets
brukerforum. Se www.digitalarkivet.no,
klikk /debattforuma/ i venstre ramme, og klikk deg videre inn på
/brukarforum/ som du finner i spalten under "Digitalarkivets
debattforum". Legger du ut velfunderte slektshistoriske spørsmål der,
er det en mulighet for at noen fatter interesse og hjelper deg videre.



Generelt vil jeg anbefale deg å gjøre en del grunnforskning før du spør
om for mye der. Les litt hva andre gjør og se hvilken type spørsmål som
genererer gode svar. Forumet er ikke ment som en "snarvei" til egen
slektsforskning, men mer som et diskusjons- og hjelpeforum for de
tingene man sitter fast på. Ut over det er det et rent diskusjonsforum
om alt som

har med slektsforskning å gjøre. Det står noen retningslinjer for
bruken på Digitalarkivets nettsider. Legg merke til at det ikke er
Digitalarkivet som svarer deg der, bare andre brukere, hvis de har lyst
og føler at de har noe å bidra med.



Lykke til med slektsforskningen!



Mvh



Carsten Berg Høgenhoff











Erik Ribsskog skrev:


Hei,



nei, men de har jo f.eks. en adelsforening i Danmark da.



Så hvis det ikke finnes adel lengre, hvorfor har de en adelsforening da?



Men det finnes vel kanskje ikke noe adelsforening i Norge, så tenkte
jeg at Norsk Slektshistorisk Forening ble det nærmeste.



Jeg bor i England skjønner du, så det blir ikke så lett for meg, å dra
innom biblioteket deres, sånn uten videre.



Men kanskje senere anledning.



Jeg prøver også å finne ut om farfaren min sin slekt nemlig, Øivind
Olsen, fra Holmsbu/Berger, for jeg har klart å finne ut om mine
bestemødres slekter, og litt og om morfaren min, Johannes Ribsskog, men
farfaren min har jeg ikke klart å finne ut så mye om.



Beklager at jeg sendte det til feil e-post adresse, jeg så vel bare den
jeg sendte det til, på websiden deres, men det er mulig at jeg ikke så
nøye nok dessverre, det er nok mulig.



Jeg tenkte kanskje at dere syntes det var artig, at noen norske arvet
baron Adeler, og kanskje kan kalle seg baron Adeler, for det står jo
det, på WIkipedia, at i Norden, så blir hele familiien adelige hvis de
er etterkommer etter en baron.



Men jeg ser at dere også henviser til Wikipedia, så jeg får kanskje
prøve å få tak i noen som er eksperter på slikt.



Så jeg får lete videre etter noen som er eksperter på det her med
baron-titler osv.



Men igjen mange takk for svar, og kanskje jeg dukker opp, hvis det er i
orden, i biblioteket deres, og prøver å finne ut mer om farfaren og
morfaren min, f.eks., ved en senere anledning.



For han Cort Adeler er jo så kjent, så det burde vel ikke være
nødvendig å gå til biblioteket deres, hvis man ønsker å finne ut mer om
han, og det samme vel med han Ove Gjedde, regner jeg med.



Vi får se.



Mvh.



Erik Ribsskog






2009/12/15 Carsten Berg Høgenhoff <siec@online.no
<mailto:siec@online.no>>




Hei,



Du sendte både den første og denne eposten til webredaksjonen i

Norsk Slektshistorisk Forening, ikke til kontoret. Det er ikke

helt uvanlig at så skjer, men helt rutinemessig videresendes alle

henvendelser som ikke er ment for internettredaksjonen. Jeg

videresender også dette brevet til kontoret på rett adresse dit:


kontor@genealogi.no <mailto:kontor@genealogi.no>. Jeg beklager at


du ikke har hørt fra oss ennå.



Jeg er ingen ekspert på dette, og du får ta dette som svar fra meg

personlig, ikke fra foreningen som sådan, men kort:



Adel er jo noe som for lengst er avskaffet i Norge. Det vi trygt

kan si, er at du nok ikke kan kalle deg baron ut fra tanken om

noen norsk baron-tradisjon, som du skriver. Det finnes ingen slik

tradisjon her til lands lenger. Som det står på wikipedia.no


<http://wikipedia.no>: "Grunnloven av 1814
forbød utnevnelse av ny


adel, og de siste, ganske beskjedne, adelige privilegiene ble i

1821 avskaffet ved lov."

(http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norske_adelsslekter).



Som en mellomordning fikk endel individer som allerede bar en

tittel beholde den - men bare for seg selv i sin egen levetid.

Deres barn fikk ikke bære noen adelstittel, selv om slekten hadde

hatt slike arvetitler i generasjoner.



Ang det øvrige du spør om: Når det gjelder det rent

slektshistoriske, anbefaler jeg deg å ta en tur på Norsk

Slektshistorisk Forenings bibliotek i Slektsforskernes Hus,

Lakkegata 21 i Oslo. Uten at jeg har registeret foran meg, vil jeg

tro at det der finnes bøker om mange av slektene du nevner. Det

kan være et godt sted å starte. Vi har dessverre ikke kapasitet

til å gjøre forskningsarbeidet for deg, og noen av spørsmålene du

stiller krever kanskje en del leting i arkiver og litteratur. Se

mer om bibliotekets åpningstider på

http://www.genealogi.no/biblioteket/biblioteket.htm.



Det er også store slektshistoriske samlinger for eksempel på

Deichmanske bibliotek i Oslo.



Med vennlig hilsen



Carsten Berg Høgenhoff


Redaktør av www.genealogi.no <http://www.genealogi.no>













Erik Ribsskog skrev:



Hei,



det kunne ha vært artig å fått en eller annen form for

tilbakemelding fra Norsk Slektshistorisk Forening, om at min

mormor arvet den siste baron Adeler.



Og min mor fikk pengene som forskudd på arv.



Siden min mormors tante, var det vel, giftet seg med baron

Adeler, og ble baronesse da.



Min mormor var forresten også i Gjedde-familien.



Så jeg tror det er ganske mulig, at hun var den nærmeste

slektning av både Cort Adeler, og Ove Gjedde, som koloniserte

Trankebar for Danmark-Norge, som var fra den danske delen av

Skåne.



(Gjedde-slekten var visst fra Småland).



Pengene etter baron Adeler, gikk til et hus i Jegersborggate,

i Larvik, i 1978, visstnok.



Men, min mormor skriver forskjellig årstall, (og da indirekte

forskjellig hus, forskjellige steder i testamentet).



Min fars samboer siden 1980, Haldis Humblen, har også

Johanitter-ordenen, i slekta, så jeg i Aftenpostens tekstarkiv.



Og hun har tulla fælt med meg, under oppveksten, og jeg måtte

bo alene fra jeg var ni år.



Og jeg lurer på om bestemor Ingeborg også var i en orden.



Så jeg lurer på om Johanitterordenen her har tullet med

Adeler-slekten, siden den var norsk, eller noe?



Så her hadde det vært artig å fått noe tilbakemelding.



Jeg tror ihvertfall at jeg kan kalle meg baron (Adeler), siden

min mor fikk pengene etter baron Adeler, og er min mor, (som

døde i 1999), sitt eldste barn.



Så jeg kan vel da kalle meg baron Erik Ribsskog da, vil jeg

mene, eller Erik Ribsskog baron Adeler.



Hva sier norsk baron-tradisjon om navneformen?



På forhånd takk for eventuelt svar!



Mvh.



Erik Ribsskog





2009/11/25 Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com



<mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com>
<mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com


<mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com>>>





Hei,



visste dere at min mor, Karen Ribsskog, som var norsk, (med

danskfødt mor, Ingeborg Ribsskog, riktignok), arvet den siste

Baron Adeler, med navn etter Cort Adeler?



Tror dere det er greit at jeg kaller meg baron Adeler da,

(siden

det var en tittel, og Adeler-slekten er utdødd i Danmark,

ihvertfall), siden jeg er min mor, (som døde i 1999), sitt

eldste

barn?



Jeg sender med kopi av en side om dette, fra min mormor,

(Ingeborg

Ribsskog, som døde i sommer), sitt testamente.



Mvh.



Erik Ribsskog






























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