Hei,
jeg lurer på om jeg har funnet riktig e-post adresse nå.
Jeg har funnet et vikingeskip, under en pub, i England, (the Railway Inn, i Meols, på the Wirral).
Vikingskipmuseet i Norge, ville ikke hjelpe.
Jeg har snakket med de som jobber på puben og jeg var på Viking konferansen, i Chester, i fjor, og tok opp dette, i en 'spørretime', med ekspertene fra Liverpool National Museum, osv.
Dette er klinkebygget skip, på 10-15 meter, var det vel.
Altså omtrent som de skipene dere har funnet i Roskilde, (vil jeg tippe på).
Engelskmennene tror at skipet vil råtne, når de graver det opp, så de lar det bare ligge under leira.
Men jeg tenkte at sånne vikingeskip, de er jo sjeldne.
Dette er vel antagelig det eneste, klinkebygde skipet, som er i Storbritannia(?)
Det er vel ellers bare i Norden at man har funnet vikingeskip?
Dette kan være etter Ingemund, som var fra Dublin, men ble kastet ut av irene, og dro til the Wirral.
En norsk-irsk vikingehøvding, med andre ord.
Men jeg er kvart dansk, etter min danskfødte mormor, Ingeborg Ribsskog f. Heegaard, (og hun var etter Odin(!), blant annet, etter Løvenbalk og Plantagenet og de gamle danske konger, osv., faktisk, gjennom min tippoldemor Mary Eva Carla Fog, som var etter Løvenbalk, hvis jeg har forstått slektforskningen riktig).
Så jeg tenkte jeg kunne høre med dere vikingene i Danmark, siden de norske vikingene ikke er så interessert.
Jeg har altså startet mitt eget prosjekt, og trenger ekspertise, råd og penger.
Jeg har lovt de som jobbet på den puben nemlig, at jeg skulle skrive om dette skipet, i Skandinavia.
Så jeg strever fælt med å prøve å få noen til å hjelpe.
På forhånd takk for eventuell hjelp!
Mvh.
Erik Ribsskog
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
Date: 2011/1/3 Subject: Fwd: Råd om å grave opp vikingskip i England/Fwd: Råd i forbindelse med utgravingen av et antagelig norsk vikingskip, (langskip), på the Wirral, i England/Fwd: Anmeldelse av trakassering/Fwd: Viking DNA book - Apologies for problems with Amazon link,
To: roskildemuseum@roskilde.dkHei,
hvordan er det i Danmark, har dere noen mulighet til å gi meg råd om dette?
Hverken Kulturhistorisk Museum, Norsk Sjøfartsmuseum, eller andre, har muligheten.
Jeg er kvart dansk, etter min mormor Ingeborg Ribsskog f. Heegaard, som var etter Løvenbalk, (og dermed også etter f.eks. Gange-Rolf og Odin), etter sin mormor Mary Eva Carla Fog.
På forhånd takk for eventuell hjelp!
Mvh.
Erik Ribsskog ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Atle Thowsen <Atle.Thowsen@bsj.uib.no>
Date: 2011/1/3 Subject: RE: Råd om å grave opp vikingskip i England/Fwd: Råd i forbindelse med utgravingen av et antagelig norsk vikingskip, (langskip), på the Wirral, i England/Fwd: Anmeldelse av trakassering/Fwd: Viking DNA book - Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now
To: Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com>, " bergens.sjofartsmuseum@bsj.uib.no" < bergens.sjofartsmuseum@bsj.uib.no>
We here at the Bergen Maritime Museum have neither the
resources nor the competence to assist you in this matter.
Med vennlig hilsen
Stiftelsen Bergens Sjøfartsmuseum
Atle
Thowsen
direktør
mobil: 9511 8556
telefon: 55 54 96 00
hjemmeside:
www.bsj.uib.no
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:30 PM
To:
bergens.sjofartsmuseum@bsj.uib.no
Subject: Råd om å grave opp
vikingskip i England/Fwd: Råd i forbindelse med utgravingen av et antagelig
norsk vikingskip, (langskip), på the Wirral, i England/Fwd: Anmeldelse av
trakassering/Fwd: Viking DNA book - Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now
Hei,
har dere noe råd om å grave opp vikingskip, i England, i Bergen, for jeg
fikk råd om at jeg kunne høre med diverse sjøfartsmuseer osv., om det her, på
internett.
Jeg fant et vikingskip, som er klinkebygget, og er et langskip, under
parkeringsplassen, til en pub, på the Wirral.
Da en lokal 'innfødt' tipset meg om dette skipet.
Jeg lovet de som jobbet på puben, at jeg skulle prøve å ta opp det her, på
min blogg osv., i Norge.
Tar gjerne imot tips om konserveringen av skipet, for britene tror at
skipet vil råtne straks det blir gravd opp, og noen svensker har rådet de til å
la skipet bli under leira.
Så det trengs noen norske rådgivere, siden dette nok er snakk om et norsk
vikingeskip, siden det er i den delen av the Wirral hvor den norsk-irske
vikinghøvdingen Ingemund, dro til, etter å ha blitt jaget av irene fra Dublin
osv.
På forhånd takk for eventuell hjelp!
Mvh.
Erik Ribsskog
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
Date:
Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:33 AM Subject: Råd i forbindelse med utgravingen av
et antagelig norsk vikingskip, (langskip), på the Wirral, i England/Fwd:
Anmeldelse av trakassering/Fwd: Viking DNA book - Apologies for problems with
Amazon link, now resolved To: kundeservice@niku.no
Hei,
jeg har startet arbeidet med å prøve å få hjelp til å grave opp et
vikingskip, som jeg har blitt gjort oppmerksom på, her i England.
Jeg gikk for å se på vikinghavnen i Meols, og da sa en brite, som jogga
forbi, at under puben the Railway Inn, så lå det et viking langskip.
The Wirral var et gammelt, norsk vikingland, (omtrent som Isle of Man), så
dette er nok snakk om norske vikinger.
Skipet er klinkebygget, fant man ut, da man tilfeldigvis fant
skipet.
Det ligger under leire, og er godt bevart.
Skipet er vel unikt i Storbritannia, hvor man ikke har
vikingskipmuseum, såvidt meg bekjent.
Engelske forskere, som en professor, ved National Museums Liverpool, som
holdt foredrag på en vikingkonferanse, som jeg var på, i Chester, for noen uker
sider, sier at skipet vil råtne, med en gang det blir gravet opp.
Stemmer dette, lurer jeg.
Det finnes jo vikingskip i museer i Norge og i andre land i Norden, så
det høres rart ut, å si at skipet bare vil råtne, synes jeg.
Hvordan løses dette i Norge?
Hva bruker man på treverket, for at det ikke skal råtne, når man graver
opp vikingskip?
Mvh.
Erik Ribsskog
PS.
Jeg prøver også å finne organisasjoner i Norge, som kan hjelpe til, med
midler/personell til utgravingen, for man mangler midler i England, (hvor de
kanskje er mest glad i romersk arkeologi).
PS 2.
Jeg håper dere kan hjelpe, for de neste på lista til Riksantikvaren, er
Roskilde i Danmark, og det her er snakk om norske vikinger, så det blir litt
dumt å kontakte Danmark.
PS 3.
Her er Riksantikvarens e-post om dette:
From: Haustveit, Gunvor <gunvor.haustveit@ra.no>
Date:
2010/10/18
Subject: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp vikingskip i
England"
To: eribsskog@gmail.com
Hei og takk
for
e-post.
Det er flere
kompetansesentra og forskere som er dyktige på feltet
om
vikingskip. Anbefaler først og fremst: Kulturhistorisk museum
med
Vikingskipshuset, dernest Norsk Maritimt Museum og Norsk Institutt
for
kulturminneforskning. I Danmark er det kompetanse ved Roskilde
museum.
Lykke til!
Helsing
Gunvor Haustveit
Informasjonsseksjonen
Riksantikvaren
Postboks 8196
Dep
0034 Oslo
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Frode Kvalø <Frode.Kvalo@marmuseum.no>
Date: Mon, Dec 13, 2010
at 8:56 AM Subject: RE: Anmeldelse av trakassering/Fwd: Viking DNA book -
Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved To: Erik Ribsskog
< eribsskog@gmail.com> Cc: Per Gisle Galåen < Per.Gisle.Galaen@marmuseum.no>, "emb.london@mfa.no" <emb.london@mfa.no>, "gunvor.haustveit@ra.no"
<gunvor.haustveit@ra.no>, "post.sondre.buskerud@politiet.no" <post.sondre.buskerud@politiet.no>, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>
To
Erik Ribsskog and associates
I
have involuntarily been drawn into in this unpleasant e-mail correspondence and
I have no interested in being a part of it!
If
there is a ship of Nordic design dating to the Viking period in a Pub somewhere
in England that is a fascinating story. However, I’m content that our
British colleges have the knowledge and skills to deal with such finds.
This
is not something the Norwegian Maritime Museum will prioritize to get involved
in!
Please, do not contact me concerning this matter again!
Frode Kvalø
Head
of Archaeology
Norwegian Maritime Museum
Dear
Erik,
Ingi
Thor Jonsson, along with Wirral and Liverpool’s cultural ambassador Mike
McCartney has done a tremendous amount of work over the last 4 years in
strengthening the links between Merseyside/ the North West and the Nordic
countries through the annual Nordic Cultural Events (NICE) Festival, and the
suggestion of you making contact was made because of the (mistaken) impression
you may wish to contribute to these efforts. With respect to the Viking
Conference at Chester and the splendid exhibition provided for the public to
enjoy the regions great Viking Heritage this was all provided completely free
of charge – as was the buffet – thanks to the tremendous efforts of the
staff of the Grosvenor Museum, and all the feedback we have had – apart from
your comment – has been very positive. As a Wirral man going back very many
generations I am very proud of what has been achieved. The food provided
was free and if you did not like it there were other places to buy food nearby.
If you missed the start of the meeting and the introduction so you did not
know who the speakers were this was not the fault of the organisers.
Nontheless we appreciate your interest in the Vikings in our region but if you
wish to communicate with us in future please refrain from using offensive
language otherwise your emails will be blocked. The talks will be posted
on the website as soon as we can,
Best
wishes
Steve Harding
Hi,
the Icelandic guy
you said I'd get along well with is gay you b*stard.
Now I don't wan't
to update you anymore.
Good luck with the
Pakistani Samosa food on the Viking-conference.
I think you must
be a muslim guy mobbing me.
Don't want
anything more to do with you.
----------
Forwarded message ----------
From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:17
PM
Subject: Re: Viking DNA book - Apologies for problems with Amazon link,
now resolved
To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>
Hi,
yes, I didn't
understand the routine, to get on the conference.
But, I haden't
seen the exhipition yet, Reap and Pillage, so I just went to Chester that day,
but the train was a few minutes early, so I got there a bit
late.
And then I spoke with the people working there,
at the museum, who got me in there, after the first break.
I understood it
like that one only had to register at the museum, from your
website.
But now I
understand, that I should have ordered a ticket.
This wasn't
clear to me, from reading your website.
But, this is just
a hobby for me, with the viking-stuff on the Wirral, so I read about it like I
would have read an online newspaper etc.
But next time
I'll make sure to contact the hosts before I go to a conference like
that.
Sorry about
that misunderstanding again!
It sounds very
fine about the video of the conference.
I'll update
you if I hear more from the Norwegian Maritime Museum, about the Vikingship,
under the pub, Railway Inn, in Meols.
Thanks again for
arranging the fine viking conference!
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Stephen
Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
Thanks Erik. We are waiting to receive the video material (and
permissions) on the conference and hopefully you should be able to
catch up on the Introduction and the other talks you missed at the start.
This will also be of benefit to others, particularly the many people
who wanted to attend but were unable to get tickets.
Paa gjensyn,
Steve
Sent: 10
December 2010 14:16
To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: Fwd:
Viking DNA book - Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now
resolved
Hi,
that is, I don't
want to have this as a life-style, with football-games at the Wirral and be
mate with the Icelandic guy from the Scandinavian Church,
etc.
I only care
about the viking-stuff on the Wirral etc.
Because I
have a lot of different interests, like blog, genealogy, web-design, etc.,
etc.
So I haven't
got that much spare-time.
So this
isn't about the community-stuff, this is just about the vikingship and the
conference.
Hope you
include the questions from the audience, (from me and others), in the summary,
since I brought up about the vikingship in Meols etc.
Hope this is
alright, don't mean to be to direct/inpolite.
Maybe I'll
go on a movie, or something, part of the Nordic festival, but I haven't got
the time to go there all the time, unfortunately.
I thought about
going on Max Manus, (the Norwegian was-movie), in the Scandinavian chruch last
year.
And I asked
a young Swedish woman, Amanda, who works at Netto, Weaverthree, if she had
been at the Scandinavian Church, but she hadn't.
Also, I have an
employment-case, against Bertelsmann Arvato Microsoft Scandinavian Product
Activation:
Perhaps you know
someone at the University of Nottingham, who could help me with this case, as
a pro-bono-case, because this case involved/involves many Scandinavians living
in Liverpool.
(My alumumni, at
University of Sunderland, haven't replied).
Also, some of
the employees there, had a lot to do with the Scandinavian Church, (and are
included in the case), an Irish/Swede called Michael O'Shaughnessy etc., so
I'm a bit vary about the Scandinavian Church, to be frank.
So I think
I'll only keep this at the level it's been at, that I only go to the odd
trip/event at my own choice..
----------
Forwarded message ----------
From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:53
PM
Subject: Re: Viking DNA book - Apologies for problems with Amazon link,
now resolved
To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>
Hi,
ok, perhaps I'll
do that!
Thank you very
much for your help!
I'll update you
as soon as possible, if I hear something more from the Vikingship-experts in
Norway.
Thank you
very much again for your reply!
On Fri, Dec 10,
2010 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
Thanks Erik
We'll put a summary up soon on http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve and may be able to
include some videos of the talks - including the Intro - once we
have permission from the speakers. If you like I can also put
you in touch with Ingi Thor Jonsson - like yourself a resident
Livepudlian - who runs the annual NICE (Nordic Cultural Events) Festival,
I think you and Ingi would get on very well. There will eventually be a
book based on the Conference but that won't be for some
months,
Ha det bra
Steve
Hi,
thank you very
much for you e-mail!
I've now
sent about the Vikingship in Meols, to the Norwegian Maritime Museum, at
Bygdøy, in Oslo.
They are
also experts on vikingships, and the conserving of these, like Cultural
Historical Musum, in Oslo are.
I'll update
you more, if and when I hear back from them.
Has anyone
written a summary from the viking-conference, which I could write about on
my blog, since I have a travel-blog etc., where I write about my short
travels from Liverpool to different Norwegian Viking places in the
Wirral.
Thanks in
advance for any help!
On Tue, Dec 7,
2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
Firstly apologies for the
bulk nature of this email again and secondly apologies to those who have had
difficulty accessing the book (with its marvellous foreword by Michael Wood)
through amazon.co.uk.:
Although because of the
demand (many thanks!) the site says "Out of Stock" if you click on the "2
new" you should be able to order the book immediately and in time for
Christmas. Thirdly apologies if you have no interest in the
Vikings!
From: Harding Stephen
Sent: 02 December 2010
14:41
To: undisclosed recipients
Subject: Viking DNA
book
Dear Colleagues (including many of you who took part in the
genetic survey of northwest England, 2002-2007, or the Nordic Festival in
2008)
Apologies if you get this message more than once! We are
writing to bring to your attention a publication we have just
produced. It focuses on the first part of a genetic survey of
northern England – the Wirral and West Lancashire project in the
northwest – and explains the basis behind the DNA method to probe
ancestry, the use of surnames to help to localize volunteers to specific
regions of the country, and how genetic methods are being used in
conjunction with historical, archaeological and linguistic evidence to learn
about Viking ancestry. It also gives some examples from
individual results and from comparing populations of people to help show
what these new technologies can achieve.
Publication of the book has been supported by one of the UK
Research Councils who have been supporting the study (the Biotechnology and
Biological Sciences Research Council) - and Nottingham University Press in
conjunction with Countyvise Limited have very kindly produced this for us
and indeed done a splendid job. We would like to stress that we
as authors are not taking any Royalties or profit!
The book is introduced with
a brilliant foreword by famous UK/BBC historian/broadcaster Michael
Wood after which we set out to show as clearly as we can, with the
help of full colour illustrations – what DNA is and how DNA methods can be
used to probe both individual and population ancestry. For probing
Viking ancestry it shows the importance of using DNA in conjunction with
historical, linguistic, place name and archaeological evidence - again with
the help of many colour illustrations, and explains how DNA can be used to
probe paternal ancestry and maternal ancestry either for individuals or for
populations of people, explaining also some of the sometimes complicated
jargon that scientists use.
A major problem in studying
population ancestry is the large population movements that have occurred
since the Industrial Revolution. However there is a strong link
between surnames and paternal DNA ancestry and the book explains how
information such as Henry VIII’s tax rolls, , and even criminal records
(including someone accused of killing a dog in 1348 …. found not guilty!)
can be used to help establish the volunteer base for specific regions of
northern England. Using these methods significant Scandinavian
ancestry (up to 50% of the mixture of DNA from the old populations) has been
shown for Wirral and West Lancashire. One youngster from Wirral
was so impressed with the results for her father she wrote a School
project “My Viking Dad and his Viking Dog”! The book finishes with a look
towards the current testing of other regions of Northern England and the
research currently being undertaken with colleagues in Norway to study the
genetic profile of Scandinavia in the Viking Age.
This broadcast on BBC Radio
4 gives some more information about the survey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/making_history/making_history_20080520.shtml (after
the first minute or so)
So we think it will be a useful read for anyone interested in DNA
ancestry and, after seeing what we have done in the North West, give people
from other regions an idea of how their own past could be
researched. The book is 150 pages long and extensively
illustrated in colour.. The book has just
become available in all good bookshops in the north West or from
Amazon.co.uk *and would make an excellent Christmas
present.
Steve Harding, Mark Jobling and Turi King
Stephen Harding
DSc(Oxon)
Professor of Applied
Biochemistry
NCMH
Laboratory,
University of
Nottingham
Sutton
Bonington
LE12 5RD, UK
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve
steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk
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