To: England.moderators@bbc.co.uk
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:53:33 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Problems with message-board
Hi,
I can't see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, thats why I'm
trying
to send it again.
Yours sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Erik Ribsskog
Date: Oct 31, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Problems with message-board
To: England.moderators@bbc.co.uk
Hi,
I've been having some problems with the BBC message-board lately.
I've been trying to post a post about some problems at the local CAB.
But the message-board programme just shows an error message,
like this: 'Please choose the region in which you want your message to
appear.'.
But the web-application wont let me choose a region.
The region field is empty.
I'll try to take scree-shot of the screen:
(I'm also going to attach a copy of the screen-shot, in case it easier for
you to view the
screenshot-copy as an enclosure.)
I've tried to use both Internet Explorer and Firefox, to post the message,
but I'm getting the
same problem with both programs.
I've been trying to post this message for about three days now, but I
haven't managed to
get it posted on the message board yet, due to the mentioned problem.
Here is the post, by the way, in case it has occured some problems with the
post moderated
moderation system on the message board, (like I have experienced with your
message board
earlier):
'Lies and 'set ups' at the Liverpool Central CAB.
I've just sent an appeal to the Liverpool Central CAB, regarding the
investigation of a complaint, that I sent the CAB Complaints and Policy
Officer in May.
When I received the answer to my complaint, a few weeks ago, i discovered,
that the CAB General Unit Coordinator, had been lying in the answer to the
complaint.
And it also seems that the Liverpool Central CAB, is envolved in 'set ups'
in which they put very young girls in the stair-case area outside of their
offices, in the State House, (which is an office-building).
And then they keep the lights off in the pulic areas of their offices, while
the members of the public are kept waiting in the dark, for about 5-10
minutes, before most of the meeting is also being kept in the dark. (In
about twilight-strength light, it was to dark to read a regular
information-folder there).
And also the Liverpool Central CAB, has got the wrong e-mail address on
their webpages.
It's says on their website(http://www.liverpoolcab.org) that one can contact
them on this e-mail address:
bureau@liverpoolcab.f9.co.uk
But this is wrong, I had to send the General Unit Coordinator a new e-mail
to get right e-mail address for the CAB, (which was bureau@liverpoolcab.org
).
So I was wondering what other people were thinking about these problems, and
if someone have some advice on how I should go forward in dealing with these
issues.
That is, besides the complaint I've already sent to The Chair, Liverpool
Central CAB:
http://johncons.blog.co.uk/2007/10/27/title~3201650
Because I think this kind behaviour, from the CAB, is totally out of line,
and also disgraceful for an organisation, if it wants to be respected.
So I was just wondering what other people were thinking about this.'.
So, I was wondering if you please have got some advice, on how I should go
forward to sort this problem with
selecting the region.
Also, while I'm writing so to speak, I was wondering if you have had a
chance to have a look at the e-mail
I sent you again on 26/10 yet?
Here is a copy of that e-mail:
'From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
To: England.moderators@bbc.co.uk
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:06:13 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Your BBC Posting has been removed
Hi,
I can't see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, thats why I'm
trying to send it again.
Hope that this is alright!
Yours sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Erik Ribsskog
Date: Oct 13, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Your BBC Posting has been removed
To: England
Hi,
I was wondering if you think it would be possible for me to get a more
spesific reason on why the post
was removed?
Yours sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
On 12 Oct 2007 15:57:47 +0000, England
wrote:
>
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>
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> URL of content (now removed):
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>
> Subject:
> The use of Negative Reinforcement as a Management-method at the Arvato
> Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation in Liverpool.
>
> Posting:
> When I was working at the Arvato Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation
> in Liverpool, I had a meeting with one of the team-leaders on the
campaign.
>
> I was wondering why we, (I was working as a regular Contact Centre
> Representative there), and I was wondering why we got lines like 'NN,
you're
> on wrap-up', shouted at us across the tables, from the team-leaders.
>
> Then I got to hear that this was something that the team-leaders had been
> thought during team-leader training.
>
> The team-leader I was in the meeting with, told me, that they had been
> trained using '[negative] reinforcement', during the team-leader training.
>
> She explained to me, that she wouldn't stop with the
> shouting/complaining/'giving stick', the way she did, because this was the
> way they had been trained to lead the campaign.
>
> Here is a quote from the summary from this meeting:
>
> 'I also brought up the situation with the wrap-up meeting we had some
> weeks earlier, where
> we agreed on that I would work on gradually bettering the wrap-up time,
> but that she then
> forgot this agreement, and the next day acted like this meeting hadnt been
> taking place
> at all, and continued to shout 'You're on wrap-up' if the wrap-up time
> exceeded 5 seconds.
>
> Vivian explained that this was call reinforcement, and that the
> team-leaders were trained
> to use reinforcement as a way of solving problems, like the problem with
> agents being
> to long time on wrap-up between the calls. So she wouldnt stop doing this,
> because she
> had been trained to do her job this way.
>
>
> NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT
>
> I hadnt heard about reinforcement on the management/organisation modules I
> had studied on
> upper secondary and university-level, and neighter had I heard about it on
> the management-
> courses I had participated on while I was working as a manager in Norway.
>
> So when I got home on the day we had the meeting, I searched for
> 'reinforcement' on the
> internet. I found from how Vivian described it in the meeting, that this
> way of sorting
> problems was called 'negative reinforcement'.
>
> I couldnt find very much on how this was being used in management, but
> from what I found
> it seemed like it was more used as a way of training dogs, and that it was
> known to make
> the dogs nervous.
>
> Line says that they were told to do it this way, because if they did it
> this way, then the agents
> would do the job the way the team-leaders wanted.'.
>
> Link: http://johncons-mirror.blogspot.com/2007/10/enclosure-7.html
>
>
> My issue, regarding this, was that when I was searching on the term
> 'negative reinforcement', on the internet, then it mostly appeared links
> that had to do with the training of animals, like dogs and horses. (And
not
> so much with management-theory):
>
> Link:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=negative+reinforcement&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB
>
>
>
> And, the fact that the team-leaders are screaming things like 'You're on
> wrap-up', to the CCR representatives.
>
> I think this is a bit impolite, because the places were people are seated,
> are up to the region of 5-10 meters from were the team-leader is sitting
> shouting.
>
> So I remember I myself thought this practice was a bit inpolite towards
> the representatives.
>
> And also, I thought it was interfering in the work.
>
> That is, if one are sitting, and writing some notes, or if one are loging
> the latest call.
>
> The latest call from when someone has called in to activate Windows or
> Office etc.
>
> Then one had five seconds to log the call and to prepare for the next
> call.
>
> So sometimes one ran out of time, and sometimes, one also wanted to have a
> zip of water inbetween the calls, so sometimes five seconds could be maybe
a
> bit to little time.
>
> But the point is, that when the call wasn't a regular call. That is, if
> the call lasted for longer than about five minutes, then one had to log
the
> call on a form as well as on the screen.
>
> And if it was a company-call, a Microsoft customer, then it could be that
> one had to write some notes down, since these calls sometimes were a bit
> more complex than the regular calls.
>
> And also since there was a lot of types of agreements, like
> Select-agreement, Open-agreement, etc.
>
> There were meny combinations of different agreements and products, so
> sometimes, one happened to write down some notes, and also send e-mails to
> the line-managers about the activation.
>
> So if one were busy doing things like this, then I think the shouting was
> sometimes interfering a bit with the other work.
>
> Because, often, it wouldn't be possible to do work-tasks like this, while
> one were answering the next call simultaniously.
>
> Because one needed to consentrate on the loging and the writing og notes
> and e-mails.
>
> So then it interfered a bit when someone shouted at me: 'Erik, you're on
> wrap-up'. At least I remember that I thought this personally.
>
> Because then I lost my concentration, and my awarenes of what I was doing.
> And I sometimes got a bit stressed, and I maybe started thinking about
> things regarding the organisation of the campaign instead.
>
> And I also think that this practice is a bit condescend.
>
> That is, from the team-leader to the representative. It seems to me, that
> one are shouting like this, then it means that one thinks that the
> representative isn't using his time in a meaningful way. That is, it means
> that the representative is doing something wrong.
>
> I tried telling them, that we knew from before, that the wrap-up time was
> five seconds, and that they didn't really need to shout that out, because
we
> already knew this from before.
>
> And when one used more time than five seconds, it was because it was
> needed to finish the work-tasks.
>
> But when they were shouting, then I think it means that they didn't belive
> the representative would be able to manage the time for the work-tasks
> themselves, in a reasonble way.
>
> So then I guess it means that the representatives was looked at as to be
> thoughtless and without the ability to act reasonable.
>
> I thought this meant that the representatives, were looked down upon, in
> regards to the issue of being able to manage their own work-time in a
> meaningful way.
>
> So I myself, remember, that I was thinking that this practice was a bit
> condescend.
>
> I used to work as a store-manager in Norway, and in conection with that, I
> had a few courses in practical management etc.
>
> And I also had some modules in management and organisation, from upper
> secondary school level, and also from university level.
>
> But I can't remember, that we were taught were much about 'negative
> reinforcement' in those modules and couses.
>
> So I was wondering if someone maybe had some knowledge, regarding where
> negative reinforcement fits in, in relation to the management-theory
field.
>
> I think that management is an interesting field, so I think it would be
> very fine if someone have the time to contribute a bit to the thread on
> this.
>
> I myself, think that this management-method, can maybe sometimes seem a
> bit harassing, but I think it would be very interesting to also hear what
> other people think about this.
>
>
>
>
>
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I hope you have a chance to have a look at this, and thanks in advance for
the help!
Yours sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
Innlegg
